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corporations are NOT people  

wickedeasy 74F
11204 posts
2/3/2012 2:22 pm
corporations are NOT people


steven colbert's site on his superpac is worth a visit as is the npr report on his application for the pac called "it isn't funny".

ten million to newt from one person.

super pacs are now disclosing contributions and the donors are interesting, no?

advertising for florida? 5900 ads for Mitt in a week. that's gotta cost a pretty penny.

so is there any way a person like ron paul or say you or me could ever make an effective run for the presidency? in an age when we count so heavily on media for our information, would anyone even know about someone if they didn't show up on tv? even the newspapers aren't enough anymore.

when a campaign needs 10 million to keep it running for a month and a candidate has the gall to say i'm not worried about the poor, they have a safety net........i worry about that candidate.

and i worry about my country. i don't want to live in a country where a safety net is what we think the poor should have. what about an even chance? what about some real hope? help to move from poverty and dependence on a damn safety net to being part of a wage earning, self supporting people? oh wait, i forgot, the middle class is pretty much gone now too.

it's all about saving the middle class....jeeze.

when the really rich pay the same tax rate as the really poor, doesn't mitt feel even slightly embarrassed? oh, i'm sure he makes donations to charity. but percentages show that the poor and the middle class make more donations to charity per household than the rich. and we tend to give to causes that give back to people that have low overhead.

i would like to think that someone with intelligence, fortitude and commitment could run for office.

i'm sick of campaign financing laws (and the electoral college) keeping americans from being able to have the leadership we need and the candidates we want.

and of course.......i know i am spitting in the wind.

well, i find it very reassuring that Mitt doesn't worry about the very poor. perhaps we can send them to live in newts moon base. at this point, i reckon the republican party must be thinking of how to cut and run....maybe just tell obama ...take it. save some money and wait four years. wouldn't that be nice?

solar i put it in pink for you so you could call it a pinko statement.........snork.

You cannot conceive the many without the one.


jim50plus 66M
2358 posts
2/4/2012 12:37 pm

At least we got to see the country at its pinnacle. Course, that was over 40 years ago and I was having too many wet dreams to appreciate it at the time. Oh well.


wickedeasy replies on 2/5/2012 11:36 am:
we did, didn't we. too bad our kids won't.

SolarPowered0 118M
8346 posts
2/5/2012 1:25 am


Corporations are not people? Since when?! That's why corporations were created--to bestow persona standi in judicio... and a way of avoiding estate taxes upon death of the principles.

Everyone knows that politicians are bought and sold as commodities are. So are voters. This is not a newly-minted coin, but a well circulated one. Speakin' of coins...

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws." ...Mayer Amschel Rothschild (banker extraordinaire)

As to party politics, I give you the words of Geo Washington, himself, upon his leaving the Office of President, after his having declined to serve a third term:

"...I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on Geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the Spirit of Party, generally.

This Spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all Governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an Individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of Party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection.

It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the Government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country, are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the Administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true--and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party.

But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose, and there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched; it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume..."


As for the "middle class"...

Ya get rid of them and you will have but serfs and lords. Of course, ya really have only those, now. The middle class simply chooses ignorance of this fact (exchanging what meager benefits may be derived from adequate mortgage monies, and an ice-box full of cold beer... for their continuing complacency through their adherence to the spirit of Party)--all the while, the lower and upper classes remain fully apprised of the condition--for quite contrary reasons, of course.

Solar...


wickedeasy replies on 2/5/2012 11:39 am:
well george is spinning in his grave solar

and serfs and lords is indeed what we have although the middle class likes to think it still exists.

i find myself wondering if it's time to buy a gun.....

chas4037 75M
4119 posts
2/5/2012 2:24 am

"i know i am spitting in the wind."

If enough of us spit, will we get a rain storm? Or maybe if enough of us spit, and keep spitting, would we get a hurricane?

"All it takes for the forces of evil to triumph is for enough good people to do nothing" (Edmund Burke?)

Wicked, at least keep on spitting. And keep on raising your voice when you must do so to be heard. I am (perhaps) not as cynical as Solar, I need the idea of hope, at least.
Chas


wickedeasy replies on 2/5/2012 11:40 am:
thing is chas, we can't get enough people up of their asses to spit togehter.

haven't been able to tdo that for a while.

FitAndFun321 62M  
6104 posts
2/5/2012 8:15 am

I dunno...I found it highly amusing to see Sheldon Adelson blow $10 million on a lost cause. All things relative, it's probably the equivalent of having a dime fall out of my pocket. The Palin tour bus, Bachmann, Herman Cain, Newt...one can't deny the entertainment provided this political season...


wickedeasy replies on 2/5/2012 11:42 am:
amusing, yes

scary, yes

since i'm one of the very lower middle class (is there such a thing any longer?)...i must admit my laughter has a hollow ring to it.

SolarPowered0 118M
8346 posts
2/5/2012 3:20 pm


"solar i put it in pink for you so you could call it a pinko statement.........snork."

Ah oui-oui...

You ain't no commie, though you are a hard-core political animal, of sorts; and as such, you are likely convinced (though I can see some hopeful evidence of an ever accelerating decline in that conviction) that a, perhaps, well intentioned--altruism being questionable--ideology can actually be effected through the democratic process.

I find you now beginning to sense, IMHO, that democracy (and I choose that term with a heavy heart) must, as a function of its primary intrinsic characteristic of self-preservation, subjugate itself to the lesser objectionable of lowest common denominators available--those which would not totally destroy the existing order, that is. This is necessary in order to achieve any remote semblance of even a simple majority... and have it stick.

Commies ain't particularly political, though they do operate on the premise that they know better than anyone else how everyone else oughta live (left or right sides of the equation, alike.) They're also real good at spendin' other people's money. I can't say it's because they don't have any of their own to use; they most likely do have some--some even have a lot of it. It's more so because they think their money can be so much better spent on their own ideas of what constitute needs and desires of worth--to them. And if we're stupid enough to let them take our tokens to use as they see fit... then that's tough shit for us.

Ya know; there's a new series starting Tuesday, on NatGeo, called "Doomsday Preppers". I actually know a few of them; and they're quite baptized... into that particular "spirit".

Solar...

BTW: I can let ya have a nice gun--cheap, too.


wickedeasy replies on 2/6/2012 10:09 am:
i was kidding about the gun - sort of

and i saw the ad for that show

solar, tbh - i'm thinking of going offgrid. saw this show aobut soem folks living in the desert.....although i'm not much for the heat. wonder if i could find another group up in maine.

SolarPowered0 118M
8346 posts
2/5/2012 8:37 pm


Stella...

Marxism, which is the root of the above-ground structure of socialism... was actually referred to as communism once fully mutated into its ultimate form, by Engels and Marx, himself--thus we got us that: "Communist Manifesto". Therefore, communism, by any other name... is still socialism. Although, in its advanced stages of decay, and by way of genetic ancestry, Marxism is simply the un-mutated organism causing the disease.

I doubt there are 27 people in the freakin' country who understand the obvious, let alone the covert differences, anyway. But if one mentions communism, most everyone knows or at least suspects (thanks to the escapades of the Evil Empire, Mao, and others) it ain't a very good thing. That's why every westerner, now, has been "properly re-educated" to refer to that system of anti-Capitalism as... socialism (or "Fusion-Capitalism", if you run with the likes of 'lil Timmy Geithner.) Makes the swill much easier to swallow than straight Marxism or... its mortal stage-2 communism; because everyone knows that Marx was a freakin' God-hatin' anti-American kinda guy.

Any name assigned... all system-variants of "Marxism" are ones wherein an elite group makes the decisions for how society's wealth (them elites like to think in terms of property with a "commune interest") will be used. Of course, that elite group gets their 90% cut... right off the top, sorta like God--a whole lot more expensive, though, since even God only asks but 10%.

I will grant you this, though: Marxist Communism/Socialism (or some variant) WILL be the final world-wide system in place--that "scarlet beast" ain't no joke--just before God squashes the shit out of it!

Solar...


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