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Re: Petition to Stop Transsexuals from Using Female Profiles  

kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 10:32 am

    Quoting  :

I agree that it's a non-issue. It's just a smokescreen to cover up the highway robbery that goes on in statehouses. America is ostensibly about protecting individual rights, not about searching for people to single out and persecute.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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5/14/2016 10:34 am

    Quoting  :

Thanks, Timeflyz. This isn't what i normally post about, and I don't like it. But it's so unfair I'd have been chickenshit to keep quiet.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 10:38 am

    Quoting LiveLifeDoU:
    I also usually try to stay out of drama on this site. I think I lost a good blogging friend because I did not care about the blogland top blogger list drama shit, nor did I really want to hear about it at length.
    However, this petition showed up on my main page and caught my eye. I have deep feelings for ppl who are not mainstream...guess it's the mom in me lol They are perfectly able to defend themselves but I feel compelled to stand up next to them, show my support. So this was one time I had to put my two cents in, so I posted on her blog...twice. She did respond to my posts in a civil manner tho I don't know if the facts she stated in her response to me are accurate or not. However, she did not acknowledge the main point of my response.
    There are a lot of fakes on this site. She seems to have a lot of time on her hands. I suggested that she use that time to find fake pics on profiles and report them so they get banned instead of starting such a petition as this one. In my opinion, that would be a better use of her time but that's just me.
    Thanks for posting this blog. Hugs.
Thank you for your comment, and hugs back! As I mentioned in other responses, this isn't what I want to spend my own time on. It's not what I want to post about. But I do have principles. If I don't speak up about them then what the hell good are they? It was past time to say something.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 10:42 am

    Quoting Great_eight:
    Thank you for posting this. The former top blogger attacks anyone who she perceives as a threat to her position at the top. It occurred when she attacked others for posting images obtained from the internet and now she is focused on the gender of the top blogger.

    She has tried to make her blog for friends only and that didn't work and she now presents as a person who wants to ensure that the members of blogland don't get fooled

    She has every right to be here but she has no right to spew hatred. I am glad that people see her for what she is and I hope she fades into the background. I am glad people are standing up for fun, positive blogging and trying to lessen the hate and manipulative behavior.
Well, thank YOU for stopping by and saying so! I reckon she even has a right to spew hatred, but she's gonna get taken to task for it, or else we have no spines at all. I can't see this as doing anything but backfiring on her. She missed a chance to be gracious to those she sees as competitors. She missed a golden opportunity to make this a personal triumph of grace and magnanimity.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 10:43 am

Thanks, eMAN!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 10:46 am

    Quoting Annie_34:
    Bonjour Kzoopair
    Une nouvelle guerre en dentelle du blog a t'elle commencer ? .
    J'ai connu un monde où être travestie était puni par la loi , puis j'ai crus que c'était fini et maintenant ça recommence .

    L'Épitaphe de Villon ou " Ballade des pendus "
    Frères humains qui après nous vivez,
    N'ayez pas vos cœurs durcis à notre égard,
    Car, si pitié de nous pauvres avez,
    Dieu en aura plus tôt de vous merci.
    Vous nous voyez attachés ici, cinq, six :
    Quant à notre chair, que nous avons trop nourrie,
    Elle est depuis longtemps dévorée et pourrie,
    Et nous, les os, devenons cendre et poussière.
    De notre malheur, que personne ne se moque,
    Mais priez Dieu que tous nous veuille absoudre!

    Si nous vous appelons frères, vous n'en devez
    Avoir dédain, bien que nous ayons été tués
    Par justice. Toutefois vous savez
    Que tous les hommes n'ont pas l'esprit bien rassis.
    Excusez-nous, puisque nous sommes trépassés,
    Auprès du fils de la Vierge Marie,
    De façon que sa grâce ne soit pas tarie pour nous,
    Et qu'il nous préserve de la foudre infernale.
    Nous sommes morts, que personne ne nous tourmente,
    Mais priez Dieu que tous nous veuille absoudre!

    La pluie nous a lessivés et lavés
    Et le soleil nous a séchés et noircis;
    Pies, corbeaux nous ont crevé les yeux,
    Et arraché la barbe et les sourcils.
    Jamais un seul instant nous ne sommes assis;
    De ci de là, selon que le vent tourne,
    Il ne cesse de nous ballotter à son gré,
    Plus becquetés d'oiseaux que dés à coudre.
    Ne soyez donc de notre confrérie,
    Mais priez Dieu que tous nous veuille absoudre!

    Prince Jésus qui a puissance sur tous,
    Fais que l'enfer n'ait sur nous aucun pouvoir :
    N'ayons rien à faire ou à solder avec lui.
    Hommes, ici pas de plaisanterie,
    Mais priez Dieu que tous nous veuille absoudre.
    François Villon



    Hello Kzoopair
    A new blog Lace war you start it? .
    I experienced a world where being transvestite was punished by the law, then I thought it was over and now it begins again.

    The Epitaph of Villon or "Ballad of the Hanged"
    Brother human beings who live after us,
    Do not be hardened your hearts to us,
    For if we pity the poor have,
    God will sooner you thank you.
    You see attached here, five, six:
    As for our flesh, we too fed,
    It has long been eaten and rotten,
    And we, the bones become dust and ashes.
    Our misfortune, nobody laughs,
    But pray God that all we want to absolve!

    If you call us brothers, you must
    Have disdain, although we killed
    By justice. But you know
    That all men do not much mind stale.
    Excuse us, since we are dead,
    With the son of the Virgin Mary,
    So that his grace is not dried up for us,
    And it preserves us from the infernal lightning.
    We are dead, that no torments us,
    But pray God that all we want to absolve!

    The rain has washed us and washed
    And the sun dried us and blackened;
    Magpies, crows punctured our eyes,
    And ripped the beard and eyebrows.
    Never for a moment we are sitting;
    Here and there, as the wind turns,
    He keeps us bobbing at its option,
    More pecked birds than thimbles.
    So do our brotherhood,
    But pray God that all we want to absolve!

    Prince Jesus has power over all,
    Spread the hell did us no power:
    Have nothing to do or to settle with him.
    Men, here no joke,
    But pray God that all of us want absolution.
    François Villon




I didn't start anything. I want to see it stop. Other bloggers here have spoken up about this and it was time for me to do the same.

Je n'ai commencé rien. Je veux le voir s'arrêter. D'autres bloggers ici ont parlé vers le haut au sujet de ceci et il était temps pour que je fasse la même chose.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 10:52 am

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What does it matter? It matters because an innocent blogger is being maligned. She can stand up for herself, to be sure, but how am I gonna feel watching her stand there alone? I didn't pick this argument- it was there and I kept bumping into it. I could choose to keep my mouth shut, but then when it's my turn to be slandered, who'll stick up for me?

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 10:58 am

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Who among us practices "pure honesty"? Our top blogger is honest about who and what she is. I hardly think she's deceived someone because they missed one of the details. None of this would be an issue at all if not for another blogger's jealousy and spitefulness. She's more than said her piece and now she's simply beating a dead horse.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 11:01 am

    Quoting HermanG67:
    I believe in treating EVERYONE as I would like to be treated by them
Me too. And if I act like an asshole I should expect to be treated like one. This whole thing is being shoved up our asses, and it's time for it to stop. You can ignore a boil for a long time, but sooner or later you're gonna have to lance it.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 11:03 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    KZ you always call it as you see it. Well said. This kind of drama I always stay far away from on this site. If they want to bash each other out go right ahead.
    Everyone has a right to blog on here no matter what sex or gender they are. If you don't want to follow some people just ignore them. hugssssssssss V
Thank you V. I didn't want to make noise about this, but the noise was being made even though I was silent about it. it was time to holler "Bullshit!"

Huggggggs B

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 12:18 pm

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OK. I think we're on the same page now. I misunderstood what point you were making. And we agree.

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sexysixties2 106F
39750 posts
5/14/2016 2:58 pm

I have been sitting with this post open in front of me for over an hour unsure of how to say what I want to say without being banned by the site. I had tried to stay out of this but enough is enough. This is just a repeat performance of so much that has happened in the past and it is finally time to put an end to it.

I am not saying that there aren't faults on both sides BUT harassing someone on account of their expressed gender is just wrong it lacks empathy and understanding. It must be tough enough feeling that you are not the gender assigned to you at birth without having small minded people attacking your choice to be the person everything in your being screams you are. Then to have someone put up a poll and delete any dissenting comments....em paranoid is the word that comes to mind.


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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 4:33 pm

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Well...I don't much care about the list either. But not everyone who climbs that list acts like a childish asshole, so it ain't the list itself that's evil. We all get to choose if we're going to exercise some self control or not. I thought- and I still think- that our current top blogger was being unfairly maligned. And that damned dumb assed petition put me over the edge

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 4:40 pm

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    I have been sitting with this post open in front of me for over an hour unsure of how to say what I want to say without being banned by the site. I had tried to stay out of this but enough is enough. This is just a repeat performance of so much that has happened in the past and it is finally time to put an end to it.

    I am not saying that there aren't faults on both sides BUT harassing someone on account of their expressed gender is just wrong it lacks empathy and understanding. It must be tough enough feeling that you are not the gender assigned to you at birth without having small minded people attacking your choice to be the person everything in your being screams you are. Then to have someone put up a poll and delete any dissenting comments....em paranoid is the word that comes to mind.

I know what you mean. You don't want to dignify it by talking about it, but it's gotta be said, sometime, by someone. This shit had gone far enough. I did this post on the spur of the moment after mulling it over for a few hours. It just seemed like it was time to put up or shut up. It was that stupid petition that finally set me off. I don't give a shit if she did delete my comment or that she blocked me- I'm in good company!

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lookin4funinBC9 63M
1386 posts
5/14/2016 7:48 pm

I should really know better then to comment on a liberal blog post. Sorry I said something about protecting our kids. I have concerns and a thought but I am wrong because I don't think or agree with you. I do truly believe that transgender can use what ever bathroom they choose. I just hope people and our politicians look at what can be bad about this and think about the negatives that could come from this. This is my last comment about this because no matter what I say I am wrong because I do not agree or think like you! Where is my freedom of speech because I don't agree with how you think? Hope you have a great day.


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 8:19 pm

    Quoting lookin4funinBC9:
    I should really know better then to comment on a liberal blog post. Sorry I said something about protecting our kids. I have concerns and a thought but I am wrong because I don't think or agree with you. I do truly believe that transgender can use what ever bathroom they choose. I just hope people and our politicians look at what can be bad about this and think about the negatives that could come from this. This is my last comment about this because no matter what I say I am wrong because I do not agree or think like you! Where is my freedom of speech because I don't agree with how you think? Hope you have a great day.
Stop whining. No one shut you up or denied your your right to speak. No- I don't agree with you. Where is it written that I'm obligated to say I agree with you? If I had blocked you you might have a complaint. The fact that you're back here making comments might be an indication to you that you haven't been blocked. You took part in a discussion- stop crying because people disagreed with you.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/14/2016 9:43 pm

    Quoting mcmaniac:
    I generally don't like putting pics up on someone else's post, but .......

    [image]
It's a great picture Mac. And you can post anything you want on my posts, my friend. I trust your judgment.

The bathroom thing is a bullshit issue, and the bullying campaign here was equally bullshit. That damned petition really lit me up.

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wickedeasy 74F
32404 posts
5/15/2016 10:05 am

I guess i'm not in the loop here but I've been in the GLBT community forever.

so thanks for your post - I said something similar in one of mine not too long ago.

and how exactly would a TR post if not as the gender they are?

grrr

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/15/2016 10:25 am

    Quoting wickedeasy:
    I guess i'm not in the loop here but I've been in the GLBT community forever.

    so thanks for your post - I said something similar in one of mine not too long ago.

    and how exactly would a TR post if not as the gender they are?

    grrr
Personally, it's perfectly all right by me if trans members post as M, F, or T. I just don't care. When I see a member listed as M but looking F, I have a clue that there may be some ambiguity there. And I'm not a stickler about pigeonholing people regarding gender. Plenty of folks are ambiguous sexually. It isn't cut and dried, black and white, male or female. And it doesn't have to be. We aren't any of us all about our sex or our gender.

Something we have a chance to do on this particular site is learn about other folks and their sexuality. It's not always a simple issue, but it also isn't everything. I've made transgendered friends on this site that I never would have had the chance to know otherwise, and they've treated me wonderfully. The love I feel for them isn't about their genitals or their labels.

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sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
5/15/2016 11:18 am

KZ you sure did get a lot of views and great comments! Well said my friend hugsssssssssssss V

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/15/2016 11:32 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    KZ you sure did get a lot of views and great comments! Well said my friend hugsssssssssssss V
Sweet V! I was happy with how I was doing blogging here before, but after you pimped my blog it got busy in here. You really are one of the most generous people I know, online or off.

Hugggggggggs Bill

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NaughtyInSO 113F
9755 posts
5/15/2016 11:43 am

"It’s shortsighted, stupid, petty and wrong."

Yes, it is true. It is also vindictive and petty.

As far as certain legislators pushing for this ridiculous and bigoted laws, I completely agree with you - they try divert our attention from really important and serious issues. It's easier to create ludicrous laws than try to find solution for failing economy.

As far as ex-top blogger, I'm once again late to the party. I haven't read her "petition". But then again, I don't read her blog.
She seems to be consistent in her schemes and plots to hold on to her "status". This isn't first time.

This competition is extremely unhealthy. All catfights and backstabbing, all accusations and now 'petitions'... all this makes me sick. It would be much healthier for Blogland to get rid of this stupid list.

Perhaps, another petition is in order - petition to stop bigotry and discrimination by gender. Just a thought....

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/15/2016 11:58 am

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    "It’s shortsighted, stupid, petty and wrong."

    Yes, it is true. It is also vindictive and petty.

    As far as certain legislators pushing for this ridiculous and bigoted laws, I completely agree with you - they try divert our attention from really important and serious issues. It's easier to create ludicrous laws than try to find solution for failing economy.

    As far as ex-top blogger, I'm once again late to the party. I haven't read her "petition". But then again, I don't read her blog.
    She seems to be consistent in her schemes and plots to hold on to her "status". This isn't first time.

    This competition is extremely unhealthy. All catfights and backstabbing, all accusations and now 'petitions'... all this makes me sick. It would be much healthier for Blogland to get rid of this stupid list.

    Perhaps, another petition is in order - petition to stop bigotry and discrimination by gender. Just a thought....
Our politics are different, you and I, but they're also very much the same. We agree about so much that really matters.

The political aspect of this I had no problem writing about. But on the level of this site, where you have to confront folks you know with something unpleasant, it's another matter, and can be harder to do. I didn't want to stir the pot or appear to take sides in a blog war or site quarrel. The manipulating and bullying has gone on for a long time- before I even joined the site. And there were other Blog Queens before, and I reckon there will be others again.

This petition was just wrong in so many ways that I had to say so if I was gonna be able to look at my face in the mirror. I'm not "involved" in the dispute, but it looks to me like one of the parties is also not exactly involved either. She's just minding her own business and trying to have fun, and she got popular. It made her a target for the jealousy and spite of a very small minded woman. That small minded woman needed to be called out for her behavior.

This thing isn't making a mountain out of a molehill, like a lot of blog spats are. When you're being unfairly maligned it's a very big deal. I'm pleased that so many bloggers stepped up and said so. It makes me feel good about people!

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Its_up_to_me 78F
52 posts
5/15/2016 8:13 pm

You know he hasnt made our country any better in the las 8yrs so hes stirring up shit before he gets out


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
5/15/2016 8:33 pm

    Quoting Its_up_to_me:
    You know he hasnt made our country any better in the las 8yrs so hes stirring up shit before he gets out
Who?

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