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A liberal sprinkling of firepower - Edition  

OneStrangeBeast 52M  
2040 posts
2/1/2013 11:43 am

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2/12/2013 9:26 am

A liberal sprinkling of firepower - Edition


The Beast is more liberal than conservative on the majority of "social" issues. He's more conservative than liberal with economic issues.... especially in his own pocket right now.
I don't see why there's push-back on the idea of having armed security guards at our public schools right now though.
We have somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 public schools in this country. I couldn't get too precise a picture from the various websites I used to try and nail down a number. 100,00 happens to be a nice, square figure for me to use though.
If we put two armed security professionals at each school, we would have just created 200,000 new jobs in one swipe, as well as (hopefully) made it less likely some nut would decide to target a school when they decide to go full blown, batshit crazy.
This country also has a very high rate of unemployed veterans running around, who can't find work because their military career didn't give them the skill sets that translate well to the civilian world. Turn to those individuals first in order to get them into those positions at our schools.
If ex-military individuals have any skill set at all, it's standing watch over somebody, or something while armed.We've all been through more Use of Deadly Force training than you can shake a stick at, and have a fairly good idea of how the Deadly Force Triangle works.
Opportunity, Capability, and Intent. We know the terms. We know the definitions. We have at least some level of real world experience making decisions based upon them.

I imagine there's also a large number of retired law enforcement personnel that are still in decent shape, and wouldn't mind making some extra money in their retirement. (Just screen them thoroughly to weed out those steroid freaks I mentioned a couple posts back!)

The bottom line is that there aren't too many drawbacks to having well trained security professionals at our schools. I'm sure somebody could pose some worst-case-scenario arguments against it, but you can pull those out of your ass for just about any situation. I spent 20 years in the Navy, and heard some of the most far-fetched, worst-case-scenario worries you could possibly hear without laughing directly in the face of a superior and risking a bad day.
These positions could be treated as much more comprehensive than your average mall security. Basic and advanced First Aid, as well as other skills could be a requirement of their training. I could see some basic psychology even coming in handy.

Believe it or not- one of the first, most basic, and simplest military deterrents we employ on a national/international level, is presence. We stop people from doing things simply because they know we're there, and they think twice about engaging.
If a would-be shooter simply knew there would be the possibility of an armed resistance at a location, it would greatly reduce the chance that they would move on that location.

I'm more liberal than conservative.... but I can see the simple truth in that.

LittleRedFrog79 44F
1566 posts
2/1/2013 12:12 pm

One word : Money.

Cities, States and school districts are broke and fighting with little that they do have. And kids are not being served the way they need to either. (Don't get me started on it here in FL! Rick "Voldermont" Scott is only giving teachers pay raises because he took the Money away three times and wants to get reelected. There is barely Money for kids now, let alone making more Money free for security.)
I would love to give 200,000 vets a job, it would make a difference all the way around, but if every school district had to find Money for it, I doubt it would happen. Tax might have to go up (I would have no problem paying that difference) and most would be against that because "tax" is a bad word even if it is for the greater good.
(a city here wanted to raise taxes a whopping 50 dollars a year on homeowners for cops and fire fighters pay, they voted it down and demanded the heads of the council people that purposed the tax hike. STUPID)

Final point : I'll put the argument that there were armed people at Columbine, but thats not here or there in the post right? People that want to get through WILL get through. Like housing that has gates, crime still happens.

{=} An empty half of the bed is waiting...{=}


OneStrangeBeast replies on 2/1/2013 5:46 pm:
I wouldn't even consider the pay for these security professionals to be a part of the "school budget". I would think it would be considered a federal, or at least state level assignment, and the pay would be seperate from that of the school districts.
There very well may have been armed security at Columbine, but my point wasn't that it's a guarantee nothing bad might happen. My point is, that in most cases, presence is one of the most effective deterrents.
The fact that there was armed security there also, more than likely, had nothing to do with the shooter's decision to go batshit crazy.
One of the arguments I've heard, is that people think the mere presence of armed security will foster more instances of violence, but I don't see it. I firmly believe it would deter more than it would instigate.
I highly doubt any batshit crazy types are simply thinking, "That school has armed security. I don't like that. I'm going to do something about it."

wannabesexpot 50F
4475 posts
2/3/2013 4:58 pm

No offense but I get the feeling that its like putting one grain of sugar in a whole pot of coffee expecting it to be sweet.

Wannabe/Sexpot - which one do you want me to be?


OneStrangeBeast replies on 2/4/2013 10:37 am:
I don't drink coffee, so your example is meaningless to me.

spiderj72 51M
7898 posts
2/6/2013 8:02 pm

i gotta say i like where you are going with this train of thought. security and employment. i like it. luckily the worst thing my child faces at school up here is a serious lack of teaching. it will come back to bite us all i think.


OneStrangeBeast replies on 2/8/2013 12:01 pm:
We've been teaching unnecessary topics for years in school. Let's face it. History is good to know, but is one subject that isn't likely to help you get a job in today's society.... unless you want to turn around and teach history. Social studies is the same way, along with several other topics.
I think we would be far better off concentrating on math, computer programming, business, sciences, and other studies which make up the bulk of actual careers available.
A once a week class on critical thinking couldn't hurt either. It wouldn't even have to be daily....or graded.... just teach people to use their head more before jumping into things.

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