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Eat the Rich  

gottaring 52F
10306 posts
7/16/2012 7:26 pm
Eat the Rich

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ABBC12356 41M
2268 posts
4/15/2016 3:42 am

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urzorally 55M
740 posts
8/16/2012 9:06 am

GR,
I gave my son my old caravan when he got his licence. It sat 3 yrs for him. I got an '07 in '08, paid it off (while paying child support, mind you). Now, after 3 cars later, I co-signed for him a 2011 Pontic G6. He treats it like a baby! Washes, waxes, vacuums it.

As for my daughter I bought a '96 intrepid in 2011. It's a mess, doesn't clean it, wash it or wax it. She still appreciates it though, don't get me wrong.

I am by far not a rich man. My thinking as far as my kids go, they have to learn how to take care of the things they have. They have to realize things are not given but earned. My kids DID earn thier cars, don't get me wrong. I set standards for them, they met them and they got the cars.

By setting standards/goals for them to acheive helps them appreciate the "gravy". Alittle work on their part when they're young helps them later in life.

The standards/goals were instilled in me as a child. I had to earn everything I wanted. I got a job at 15, my dad said if I could save $500 by the end of the summer, I could have his rusted out toyota pick-up truck. BUT, there too, I had to put a clutch in it, tune it up, put brakes on it, floor pans in. I earned it but had to work for it aswell.

Parents need to look back to thier childhood (the good AND bad) and hopefully make the best decision for their children. And when they are of age, THEN guiding them becomes easier and they'll listen to you better and appreciate your opinions on matters alittle more.

And BTW, you're still GORGEOUS as ever, Dear!!!


burgerorbrat3 62M

7/24/2012 8:09 am

There's a line from a Greg Brown song I love: "The murderer who lived next door seemed like such a normal guy." Evil takes all shapes and forms -- they may drive a Lexus, a Ford or a tricked out Chevy -- and you have to be on your guard at all times, unfortunately.

It's difficult sometimes, but I try my best not to judge others in any way, shape or form. Rendering judgment over others and even vast groups of people (religion, race, sex, skinny, fat, etc.) is a recipe for disaster.


FMAOPLS 70F
27112 posts
7/18/2012 6:51 pm

I always felt strongly that the kids should help out around the house, do chores, clean up their own rooms, etc., and be paid an allowance. They were pretty good about that, but their Dad felt it was OK to heavily into debt putting on a good "front". He also was OK with going broke, declaring bankruptcy, or even divorcing, if it would help his son get to the NHL and his daughter to the Olympics.

Needless to say, they did not get there, they were not even interested in the effort required to do so. It was his dream, not theirs, and one of the many reasons he is my EX.

As a single Mom, I tried to teach them to lower their expectations due to limited means, and I continued to donate to others who had even less than we did, whenever I could.

My daughter is now a single Mother, and has thanked me for showing her how to budget My son is still "clueless", and has never had to struggle. I worry about him, far more than I do my daughter. Because he and his wife are pretty comfortable financially, and her family has money and spends it willingly on them, I fear that they do not know how to plan ahead, prepare for sudden emergencies, or would be able to get through if some financial disaster befell them.

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christylovesfun 51F  
16880 posts
7/18/2012 11:16 am

It's truly scary how many people are working their fingers to the bone here in the States and not succeeding in that monetary sense.

I'd recommend volunteering with your children at a variety of spaces helping poor folk when they are old enough.

Age cannot wither her, nor custom stale
Her infinite variety. Other women cloy
The appetites they feed, but she makes hungry
Where most she satisfies. For vilest things
Become themselves in her, that the holy priests
Bless her when she is riggish. ~~ from Antony & Cleopatra


bbcjay8in_isback 46M

7/17/2012 4:23 pm

    Quoting gunner4440:
    Yep, I've been one of "those people" that this jackwagon is talking about all my life. He's also one of the people who says that soldiers are the people "too dumb to get out of it" and when we get killed "that's what we pay you for".
    I am not going to waste anymore of my time or energy on this superjackwagon who is so shallow you could plumb his depths with a paperclip. Take it easy, guns are cold.
Damn good answer! I am using your phrase 'jackwagon'.

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bbcjay8in_isback 46M

7/17/2012 4:21 pm

'Do kids have to burn at the stake to sympathize with Joan of Arc?"

No. but in true throwback fashion, you can take them to Ye Olde Town Square and let them witness her burning. Life is both beautiful and ugly. Children should know that.

there is a reason why we have ghettos and 'dark alleys' - and its NOT because Those People are there just because. even some ex-Wall Street financiers end up homeless.

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gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 5:03 pm:
There, but for the grace of God, go any one of us.

All it takes is one medical emergency and most of us would be on the street. I realized this when the Hornet broke her leg. The best (and only) thing she has ever done for me was to provide for HERSELF in her later years. If she had been a frivolous spender, Hubby and I would have had to foot the bill for everything and she'd probably be living with us right now.

This is the legacy I want to leave my children: I refuse to be a burden on them.

And you're right, witnessing a pyre might convey a lesson, but doesn't it defeat the purpose? After all, if my kids are watching Joan burn I have to explain how she got there, don't I? I'd rather show them that Joan was a righteous dame who plays a mean game of hopscotch and can jump double-Dutch with the grace of a Cirque du Soleil acrobat.

gunner4440 49M
2657 posts
7/17/2012 3:41 pm

Yep, I've been one of "those people" that this jackwagon is talking about all my life. He's also one of the people who says that soldiers are the people "too dumb to get out of it" and when we get killed "that's what we pay you for".
I am not going to waste anymore of my time or energy on this superjackwagon who is so shallow you could plumb his depths with a paperclip. Take it easy, guns are cold.

Take it easy, guns are cold.


bbcjay8in_isback 46M

7/17/2012 2:38 pm

Quick Answer - Some people have it all backwards. And that guy is borderline racist.

Never understood why people feel the need to make sure their kids 'want for nothing'm when humans thrive and evolve when placed under duress. Animals, on the other hand - teach their offspring SURVIVAL. I wonder who has it right? lol

I am just the opposite from most people: I don't give my boys SHIT unless they flat out earn it. And that includes allowance.

'But how else are you gonna teach them the value of money?'

Im sorry....at what point in our lives does society GIVE US money and tells us - 'okay, do good by it!'? We're supposed to be equipping our children with Real Life and not make believe life.

No, ay doesn't play that. I teach my very intelligent boys directly from the School of Hard Knocks as well as science and industry. They grow up in a house in a nice neighborhood. But every once in a while I take my them to East Austin - what many Whites refer to as 'the ghetto' (due to the proliferation of 'browns') - and i MAKE him play sports and hang out with 'Those Kids' in 'That Neighborhood'.

Tough love. And in 7 years he will be prepared for ANYTHING life throws at mentally and physically.

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gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 2:51 pm:
Very well put, Jay. I agree that kids need to learn how to survive within a controlled environment. By which I mean that I wouldn't throw my child into a lake to teach him to swim unless I was right in the water beside him.

Here's where you and I differ...

I know very little about the 'American Ghetto', regardless of the majority of race which populates it. I DO know about poverty in other countries, having seen it up close and personal with my own two eyes. Those 'Ghettos' are ones I am comfortable exposing my childen to in the hopes of teaching them empathy and compassion for others, as well as showing them that 'poor' kids are just like any other kids- they like to play and yell and laugh and be nutty.

I'm not going to lie, Jay. I'd be terrified to take my kids to certain parts of town. Why? Dunno. Chances are, no harm would come to them, but to me, it's not a controlled enviroment because I'm not familiar with it. And as a parent, my job is to consider the 'worst case scenario' based on limited knowledge.

So I ask you, in true bougeoise fashion: Do kids have to burn at the stake to sympathize with Joan of Arc?

jim50plus 66M
2358 posts
7/17/2012 8:35 am

Having been through the child rearing experience (and made my share of mistakes) I see things a little differently know. I won't pontificate too much, but here's answers to your questions:

How do allow your children the luxury of not wanting for anything, while still being appreciative of everything they receive?

Short answer is, you don't. It's good for kids to struggle a bit and to learn what it means to be inconvenienced. It isn't pleasant to watch it as a parent, but you will suffer at one time or another, whether you suffer watching them struggle to find their footing when they are young, or you suffer watching them struggle to find their footing when they are older, you'll still be suffering. My only advice is to let the struggle early. It's much easier...on you.

I tell me kids that most people don't make themselves successful, or rich. They get lucky. They are in the right place at the right time and that's about it. I've made my millions and watched others make theirs and the one common thread among all of them is that they, individually, had very little to do with our own success. Fact is, anybody who tries to tell you they were responsible for their own success is either a narcissist, a short sighted asshole, or both.

How about 'small-minded, opinionated, bigoted people'? I just tell the kids that the world is full of all kinds of people. Good ones, bad ones, selfish ones, and racist ones, and it is important that they learn how to tell them all apart as quickly as possible, and then act accordingly...but to do so without judgement, or piety.

I think we all know by now that Oprah is the anti-Christ...and she don't drive no ricer...$70,000 or otherwise.


gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 11:47 am:
Do you really believe that luck is the reason most people are successful in life? I'm not sure I agree with you.

Most of my relatives are incredibly successful by anyone's standards, but they busted their asses to get into top colleges and excellent graduate programs. You might say, 'Well, they were lucky that their parents paid for college so they didn't have to work while going to school', or 'Lucky that their parents were able to pay for the Ivy League instead of state schools.'

I don't think so. That's not luck. That's a result of hard working parents who made education a priority instead of buying expensive cars and living in mansions. And trust me, those parents had an asshole for a father who didn't provide them with shit, yet they excelled in school and in their respective careers without any assistance from him.

Luck may play a small part in success- right place/right time, etc., but you still need to be smart enough to recognize a good opportunity when you see it.

PurplePeach72 51F
9194 posts
7/17/2012 8:31 am

Great post and already lots of responses that are great. I think teaching our kids to be open minded and empathetic is the key. Its hard, I know I struggle with it too and I'm sure the Viking and I will struggle when we manage to have another one. I grew up poor but he didn't. I think it is like learning, this has to be a life long endeavor to make it stick for the next generations.

Hope you're healing well from the surgery. Which by the way, I never noticed any scars. You are beautiful inside and out. Big hugs.
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gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 11:51 am:
Thanks, LeeAnn. The stitches are out and the scar looks okay. Not great, but okay. If I had chosen to have a plastic surgeon do the work, my insurance wouldn't have covered it, so I had my dermatologist do it since he does a lot of cyst/mole/tumor removals. I'm too old to be vain about such matters anymore, lol. The important part is that the cyst was benign!

I agree that empathy and open-mindedness are extremely important traits to impart to our children. Understanding and compassion go right along with them. I wish more parents remembered to lead by example, but I admit I'm not as good about it as I should be, either.

KarlBloggerfeld 54M
8624 posts
7/17/2012 7:58 am

I have just one compound word for the subject of your story - douchebag.

karlbloggerfeld - Dry-humping your legs since 2007.


gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 11:53 am:
I would have accepted 'Asshole' or 'Wingnut' as alternate compound adjectives.

Han54boat 71M
11637 posts
7/17/2012 7:43 am

There are some great responses here.
Kids need to grow up with some wants of things and stuff. They should be given love, food, home, and education.
I was one of those poor people. My mother divorce in the 60s (different now). I did not have much and worked hard to have something. It didn't hurt me.
My two cents,


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gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 11:58 am:


A little (or a lot) of hard work never hurt anyone who wasn't a weakling to begin with.

8inchjim67 61M
10 posts
7/17/2012 6:31 am

My kids are entitled to 3 square meals, and a warm dry roof over their heads! Of course hugs, and all my affections! They are also entitled to get a job and pay for their own car, insurance, and anything else they would like that's extra. When my !4 year old son bought his own ipod touch, he really truely appreiciated it and has taken care of it very well!!! My 19 year old daughter wanted to wanted to quit college and come live with me while she "gets her finances straight"!! I reminded her that if she is not enrolled in college she would become my roommate and would be helping with rent and other bills!! I would love to be able to afford to give my kids everything, but I think we as parents are not doing or jobs and teaching them responsability if we do!!
I'm sorry this was such a long post!


gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 2:53 pm:
One of my bosses once told me that 'People support that which they help create'. In the same vein, people appreciate that which they had to work hard for. I applaud your outlook- I think your kids will appreciate the sacrifices you HAVE made, as well as the ones you HAVEN'T made in an effort to teach them how to be self-sufficient.

hornyguyMN 43M
16352 posts
7/16/2012 8:56 pm

Now I may never be able to drive a lexus (not that I can afford one). I don't have any kids, but I do work with a lot of them. This is a hard question, I think the trick is to try to put the value in the non-monetary things. Put the value in things like love and friendship.

Someone mentioned volunteer work. I like that idea. Make sure they know that people should be judged on the person they are. Not the house they live in, car they drive or cloths they wear.

That might all be overly idealistic. Take if for what its worth.


gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 3:00 pm:
I think the trick is to try to put the value in the non-monetary things. Put the value in things like love and friendship.

I agree! Well said, Babe!

FMAOPLS 70F
27112 posts
7/16/2012 8:55 pm

Kudos to you for "telling it like it is".

M ex and I had differing viewpoints on entitlement, when we were raising our kids. When they wanted a piece of clothing that we felt was too expensive, we paid the cost of the lesser brand, and they paid the rest.

They went to parochial school, and charitable giving was a regular occurrence since they were very young. I don't think it is something they consciously give much thought to though, now that they are adults and on their own. That disappoints me.

I regularly donate to charity (not always monetarily), just not enough to bother with a tax deduction.

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gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 3:03 pm:
Hubby and I disagree on certain things when it comes to the kids. He had to earn an allowance for doing chores. I was told that 'This is your house too and you take pride in maintaining it.' and when I needed something, my parents paid for it. I had no concept of 'allowance', per se.

We have this argument often. I maintain that my kids need to taske responsibility for their rooms, their home in general, and helping out with setting the table, etc., without the incentive of money. He feels that 'earning' money teaches them the value of hard work. Both of us are right, but we have yet to find a compromise.

Your thoughts?

rm_702Beelzboss 42M
62 posts
7/16/2012 8:47 pm

the funny thing is that guy is so proud of driving a glorified toyota Corolla LOL Sure if he drove a benz I could understand a little bragging about it but a lexus... ha ha. He's certainly an ignorant bigot.


gottaring replies on 7/17/2012 3:04 pm:
Most bigots are ignorant, lol. And speaking of ignorant, I have no idea whether a Lexus is comparable to a Corolla- I'm pretty ignorant about cars. But if what you say is true, this guy is a real sucker.

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TwistedViper20XX 42M

7/16/2012 8:40 pm

"Yes son. This is what happens when you don't attend school and get pregnant as a teenager."

Believe it or not, that part of the remark I have no issue with. With shows like 'Teen Mom' and '16 & Pregnant' ruling the air waves these days, anything that disincentivises teen pregnancy is A-OK in my book, including a little shock factor like that. Everything else, though... /smh

How do allow your children the luxury of not wanting for anything, while still being appreciative of everything they receive?

Not gonna lie... I'm still working on that. Our son is a bit spoiled.

What do you tell your kids about 'poor people'? How about 'small-minded, opinionated, bigoted people'?

We're not rich or wealthy by *any* means, although my wife does associate with the spouses of a lot of higher-ranking (and thus more financially well-off) soldiers than myself. So of course he gets to see all these nice houses that these people own; we went to a birthday party at the house of a pilot and his family (my wife works with his wife); I would love to own a house and a piece of land like that one day, I'm not gonna lie. But all my four-year-old saw were other kids and play equipment. It breaks my heart that one day I'm going to have to teach him about those small-minded, big-mouthed bigots out there in the world. But I already have a feeling what one of the things I'm going to tell him will be:

"Always take the high ground. The view is much better... and so is your aim."


Diogenes5959 64M

7/16/2012 8:14 pm

That kind if reminds me of the line in To Kill A Mockingbird, when Scout asked Atticus "Daddy, are we poor?" "No, Scout, we're in debt, poor people can't be in debt." OK, maybe it didn't apply to your topic but I love that line.

I HATE people who judge the poor. There but for the grace of God and all that. 50 bucks this guy goes to church and ignores the parts where Jesus spoke of helping the poor. And his rant to his kids was probably more racist than anti-poor. God help his kids.

I tell my child that everyone is equal, we just have different opportunities and some don't get the same chances that others do. Your kids and mine (for example), have a lot better chance of making it than others may. That's not to say that a person can't rise above their circumstances, but being born to poor parents sure makes it tougher.

And we all know the Boogeyman is Al Gore. Although he's not trying to frighten children, he's trying to frighten adults. (Eh, too political?)


gottaring replies on 7/16/2012 8:54 pm:
My daddy always said that the easiest way to get rich is to live within your means. He followed it up by saying that the easiest way to stay rich was to (you guessed it) live within your means.

The difference between affording what you need and affording what you want is what makes or breaks most people. Can I afford a Lexus? Yeah. But I'd rather drive the Douchemobile and save for retirement. Am I rich? Depends whom you compare me to. But I AM financially secure and that's a whole lot more important. It's all about priorities. For me, my kids health and education come first. For others, food, medical care, housing and basic necessities are a luxury and that's a sad statement about our economy.

Sure our kids have more opportunities, but that doesn't guarantee success. So tell me how to ensure that my kids don't squander their opportunities and live up to their potential.

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