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LIBERTÉ, ÉGALITÉ, FRATERNITÉ  

spunkycumfun 63M/69F
29519 posts
1/7/2015 11:55 am
LIBERTÉ, ÉGALITÉ, FRATERNITÉ



Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité is the motto of post-revolutionary France. Above is a painting of the Storming of the Bastille, a Parisian prison, which signalled the start of the French Revolution in 1789 that eventually led to the death of monarchy and the birth of the republic in France.

Today at least 12 people have been murdered in Paris. Three gunmen, still at loose and almost certainly jihadists, entered the offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and killed its editor, cartoonists and journalists. Two police officers, guarding the offices, were also killed.

Before today’s attack, the magazine’s building was fire-bombed after it published cartoons depicting a naked Prophet Muhammad in 2011. Below is the cartoon, posted in solidarité, which so riled jihadists to seek vengeance.

Though I can understand why Muslims may regard such cartoons as offensive, there is no justification for the killing of the editor and cartoonist behind the offending cartoon. Charlie Hebdo's satire is based on equality; the magazine takes the piss out of all religions!

Free speech is a very important principle to uphold. It’s upheld in America by the First Amendment of its constitution and it’s upheld in much of Europe through the European Convention of Human Rights.

The right of free speech is not an absolute right to say whatever you want. For example, it's a criminal act to publish certatin types of obscene material in America; it’s a criminal offence to promote racial hatred in the UK; and it’s a criminal offence to deny the Holocaust in Germany.

Though not absolute, the right of free speech still remains a very important principle in free and open societies. Remember the Nazis destroyed books in their attempt to destroy ideas challenging their version of the truth.

I may not agree with what people say but I do agree that people have the right to say what they want. How else can ideas be exchanged and discussed? Ideas are important.

How important is the right to free speech?
Should there be any limits to the right to free speech?


This blog post got serious because I’m listening to the news of what happened in Paris while on this site. My initial idea for this post was a blogland orgy. Another day!



sexysixties2 106F
39750 posts
1/7/2015 12:05 pm

I was horrified when I turned on the news at lunchtime and saw what had just happened.

Freedom of speech is something which I hold absolutely sacrosanct. I may not agree with something that is said but I will defend to the end a person's right to say it. About the only thing I would condemn is anyone speaking with the intent of inciting others to hatred or to commit a crime.


"Age does not protect you from love, but love, to some extent, protects you from age."

~~Anais Nin~~


pal334 69M  
45821 posts
1/7/2015 1:42 pm

Todays incident is another of fanaticism. The perpetrators wanting to silence all opposition, even different views. It is becoming a worldwide problem , this violence being accomplished by a very small group against the majority.

How important is the right to free speech? Without it, there is no freedom

Should there be any limits to the right to free speech? That is a delicate question, there should be limits, but what they are I am not sure


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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
1/7/2015 3:45 pm

How important is the right to free speech?
Should there be any limits to the right to free speech?

And in the twenty first century we're still discussing the importance of free speech. In the USA we are at odds about torture- what exactly it is and whether we should use it.

There are minds that are warped shut. A world of free speech can never get in. Sometimes I actually succeed in convincing myself that the arc of history swings toward progress...and then, this.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
1/7/2015 10:08 pm

    Quoting pal334:
    Todays incident is another of fanaticism. The perpetrators wanting to silence all opposition, even different views. It is becoming a worldwide problem , this violence being accomplished by a very small group against the majority.

    How important is the right to free speech? Without it, there is no freedom

    Should there be any limits to the right to free speech? That is a delicate question, there should be limits, but what they are I am not sure
Pal said it all.

No greater affront exists in the muslin faith than taking innocent life. Jihadists defile the principles of the very faith they claim to defend.

Find pleasure in giving pleasure


canyaz 56F
17128 posts
1/8/2015 5:30 am

Very scary and sad. If we do not have the right to speak our minds, call out injustice, shine light on the truths, then we have nothing.

There is a difference between a good BJ and a bad BJ.
canyaz


Luvstoplezeu 65M
234 posts
1/8/2015 6:37 am

They are such cowards . I will never understand why they choose to murder innocent people who are simply voicing an opinion. It was so sad to watch this event unfold on the news yesterday.


sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
1/8/2015 8:43 am

Good post today, very scary and sad at the same time Spunky

How important is the right to free speech? Very
Should there be any limits to the right to free speech? to some extent..

Become a blog watcher sweet_vm


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
1/8/2015 10:04 am

As ever McP, your blog is probably the most interesting mixture and read in the ville. I've read most of your posts over the last few weeks, wonderful stuff!!

And a very happy new year to you, hope you had a good wee holiday.


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
1/8/2015 10:08 am

ps - this is a difficult one. My gut reaction is that there should be no restriction on free speech, let people say what they want, the fools will surely show themselves for what they are. I even believe that racists, homophobes and the like should be allowed to spout their vitriol as it shows up the truly ridiculous nature of their belief and bigotry.

On the other hand, in a world where extremism and fanaticism seems to be on the increase, it's difficult to see how we can keep safe without some of our liberties being compromised.


nd2hvfun 65F  
10021 posts
1/8/2015 7:01 pm

we must never lose the right to free speech...

je ne regrette rien


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:05 pm

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    I was horrified when I turned on the news at lunchtime and saw what had just happened.

    Freedom of speech is something which I hold absolutely sacrosanct. I may not agree with something that is said but I will defend to the end a person's right to say it. About the only thing I would condemn is anyone speaking with the intent of inciting others to hatred or to commit a crime.

I totally agree with you (per usual!).


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:07 pm

    Quoting  :

We can't even write the three letters A F F with no spaces without this site changing what we write!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:08 pm

    Quoting  :

Nous sommes Charlie!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:09 pm

    Quoting pal334:
    Todays incident is another of fanaticism. The perpetrators wanting to silence all opposition, even different views. It is becoming a worldwide problem , this violence being accomplished by a very small group against the majority.

    How important is the right to free speech? Without it, there is no freedom

    Should there be any limits to the right to free speech? That is a delicate question, there should be limits, but what they are I am not sure
We're living in a strange world nowadays!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:11 pm

    Quoting  :

I totally agree but unfortunately how the West responds is sometimes counter-productive - reduced freedoms, increased surveillance and more reasons to be a jihadist!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:13 pm

    Quoting  :

I've been waiting for a week for the postman to deliver the invite to your decadent toga party! The post is clearly not what it used to be!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:16 pm

    Quoting kzoopair:
    How important is the right to free speech?
    Should there be any limits to the right to free speech?

    And in the twenty first century we're still discussing the importance of free speech. In the USA we are at odds about torture- what exactly it is and whether we should use it.

    There are minds that are warped shut. A world of free speech can never get in. Sometimes I actually succeed in convincing myself that the arc of history swings toward progress...and then, this.
You'd hope there would be progress in this so-called modern world. But, as the the historian Eric Hobsbawm recorded, the modern age has seen both incredible progress and incredible barbarism!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:18 pm

    Quoting AmeliaCox:
    I would like to reverberate the statements above and second sexysixties2 about using free speech to incite hatred. These statements sum up my feelings on the matter with absolute precision.
I agree with you. Free speech is very important but, if used to promote hatred and violence, the right should be curbed.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:23 pm

    Quoting  :

I agree with you absolutely. The fallout from this incident is still playing out in Europe. The UK prime minister has even begged the US president to get Google etc on board in the so-called war on terror.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:27 pm

    Quoting  :

The magazine did carry on publishing after this. On the front cover, it again portrayed the Prophet Muhammad forgiving those who killed its staff. Because of this portrayal, demonstrations and deaths have occurred around the Muslim world. It may be offensive, but it's satire!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:31 pm

    Quoting khuXBFXM8u:
    Pal said it all.

    No greater affront exists in the muslin faith than taking innocent life. Jihadists defile the principles of the very faith they claim to defend.
What's interesting is that in the past the Prophet Muhammad has been portrayed in paintings but now it's seen as blasphemy to portray the Prophet. Religion just gets interpreted, reinterpreted and re-reinterpreted.
I can understand why Muslims see the Charlie Hebdo cartoons as offensive, but it's just satire!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:35 pm

    Quoting canyaz:
    Very scary and sad. If we do not have the right to speak our minds, call out injustice, shine light on the truths, then we have nothing.
There are echoes of Nazism with what's happening.
As Martin Niemöller said:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:41 pm

    Quoting Luvstoplezeu:
    They are such cowards . I will never understand why they choose to murder innocent people who are simply voicing an opinion. It was so sad to watch this event unfold on the news yesterday.
I guess they do it because they can. Gone are the days when two armies face each other and battle it out.
Thanks for stopping by


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:46 pm

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    Good post today, very scary and sad at the same time Spunky

    How important is the right to free speech? Very
    Should there be any limits to the right to free speech? to some extent..
I agree with you that there should be some limits to free speech, particularly if promoting hatred and violence, but Charlie Hebdo is not in that category.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
1/20/2015 12:47 pm

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    As ever McP, your blog is probably the most interesting mixture and read in the ville. I've read most of your posts over the last few weeks, wonderful stuff!!

    And a very happy new year to you, hope you had a good wee holiday.
And I hope the year has got off to a great start for you.


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