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SCOTLAND DECIDES, BRITAIN SURVIVES  

spunkycumfun 63M/69F
29519 posts
9/19/2014 5:25 am
SCOTLAND DECIDES, BRITAIN SURVIVES





After yesterday’s referendum on Scotland’s independence, a majority voted to remain part of the United Kingdom. With a very high 85 per cent turnout, 55 per cent of people voted ‘No’ and 45 per cent voted ‘Yes’ to independence.

Polls also suggested that the vast majority people living in England, Wales and Northern Ireland didn’t want Scotland to leave the United Kingdom.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland does not have to be re-named, and the Union Jack does not have to be re-designed.

The Prime Minister David Cameron is now under no pressure to resign for presiding over the break-up of the country. But the Scottish National Party (SNP) leader Alex Salmond has announced his retirement instead.

The keenly contested referendum campaign lasted two years. At the start of the campaign, the ‘No’ campaign had a comfortable lead in the polls, but its lead gradually narrowed as the referendum date approached.

Just over a week before the vote, polls suggested a narrow lead for the ‘Yes’ campaign. But over the last week, the ‘No’ campaign fought back to win the referendum yesterday by a clear if not totally resounding majority.

What is clear is that the issue will not go away; nearly half the Scottish population is not happy with the result. Though Edinburgh and Aberdeen voted ‘No’, Glasgow and Dundee voted ‘Yes’. If about 200,000 more Scots had voted’ ‘Yes’, Scotland would have become an independent country.

Historically, support for Scottish independence has increased even though, since the United Kingdom was formed in the early eighteenth century, Scotland was one of the poorest countries and is now one of the richest countries in Europe.

Though Scotland will not become an independent country (yet), its Parliament will almost certainly be given additional powers to govern Scotland. It is likely that England, Wales and Northern Ireland will also be given more powers. Even the larger English cities, like Manchester and Nottingham, may be given extra powers.

I hope a new constitutional settlement can be agreed in relation to the distribution of powers between the constituent regions in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is one of the most centralised states in the Western world.

I don’t think there will be a new constitutional settlement as the mainstream political parties cannot fully agree on such a settlement.

Also, Britain doesn’t like written constitutions! There are only a handful of countries without a written, codified constitution in the world - Israel, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia and the United Kingdom. Libya may be another such country.

One of the best things about the Scottish referendum was that 16- and 17-year olds were given the right to vote.

If living outside the UK, were you surprised that Scotland had a referendum on independence?
If living inside the UK, what do you think will happen after this referendum result?
At what age do you think people should given the vote?






pal334 69M  
45821 posts
9/19/2014 5:30 am

If living outside the UK, were you surprised that Scotland had a referendum on independence? Not at all, I think all countries or territories have the right of choice

If living inside the UK, what do you think will happen after this referendum result? N/A

At what age do you think people should given the vote? At the age they are eligible for military service

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sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
9/19/2014 11:53 am

First off Spunk, I am very please to see the vote was a NO vote for Scotland.. If it was a Yes vote I know that Quebec would be trying the same thing to see if they would get a Yes vote and leave Canada.. What kind of money would they use if they did separate. I believe they are better off to stay with England.. Good news! What age 18 would be my guess. Really don't know what you want until that age.. hugssssssssssss V

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lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
9/19/2014 3:30 pm

Very mixed emotions here, I've actually shed a tear or two despite being a strong no voter.

The whole thing has implications for us all, but I'm distraught for the 1.6m people who had that faith in a better system. We, you, me, Peter, the UK at large, we need to acknowledge and honour that faith somehow. Time for our pollies do get to work, fo us, not themselves.

Great post McP.


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
9/19/2014 3:39 pm

Oops, meant to add, thanks for being interested and concerned!!!!!!


khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
9/19/2014 8:57 pm

Lindo keep us well informed.

It never surprising that a portion of any population want to go it alone.

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lok4fun500 M
51906 posts
9/20/2014 4:18 pm

I wasn't surprised, as Quebec has tried to seperate here in Canada a few times. Like in Scotland, it was a close vote! Voting age is 18 here!


Furbal1972 51M
18571 posts
9/22/2014 11:17 pm

As an outsider, I was not surprised, but slightly relieved.

I followed this story closely and learned a lot in the process. (Like I didn't know that the UK was actually four separate countries. )

Yet in the end: DEMOCRACY PREVAILS!!!! .. It was peaceful. (Just look at Ukraine.)

I also agree with the thought that Britain should have it's own Parliament, just like the other three countries. Along that line, ANY issues that cause others to harbor resentment need to be dealt with.

I'm glad that you're still "united". A "yes" vote would have involved major complications in monetary policy (and to a lesser extent, the FLAG!). .. The world didn't need another shake-up at this time.

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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/25/2014 7:46 am

    Quoting pal334:
    If living outside the UK, were you surprised that Scotland had a referendum on independence? Not at all, I think all countries or territories have the right of choice

    If living inside the UK, what do you think will happen after this referendum result? N/A

    At what age do you think people should given the vote? At the age they are eligible for military service
I think the age for joining the military, voting, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, having sex etc should be the same age.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/25/2014 7:48 am

    Quoting AmeliaCox:
    I wasn't surprised, as I understand it, Scotland used to be an independent nation in the time of William Wallace and I can understand many Scots wanting to get complete control of their own territory back. I just hope the outcome is the best for all with heartfelt commiserations to Comfyshoes who wanted Scottish independence.

    People should be given the vote when they can understand the implications of how they vote and what each party's core values are instead of being seduced by pre-polling promises and rhetoric, it should never be based upon age.
Scotland was an independent country, like England, several centuries ago. The United Kingdom was supposed to be a union of partners, but many Scots (and English people) don't see it that way!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/25/2014 7:49 am

    Quoting greyfriars_bobby:
    Alex Salmond is now sat in a cave somewhere pulling the legs off a spider
Alex Salmond certainly isn't a happy bunny at the moment!
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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/25/2014 7:52 am

    Quoting  :

There did appear to be some shy 'No' voters who probably weren't picked up by the polls.
There are also shy Tories which the polling companies, after they all got it wrong for the 1992 general election, factor in when calculating their poll findings.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/25/2014 7:56 am

    Quoting apollorising2021:
    If living outside the UK, were you surprised that Scotland had a referendum on independence? No, that after seeing "Brave Heart"!
    If living inside the UK, what do you think will happen after this referendum result? I got a NO vote by a margin of 10%
    At what age do you think people should given the vote?
    At the age they can join the military!
The winning margin was about 10% but that's still a lot of unhappy people in Scotland.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:27 pm

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    First off Spunk, I am very please to see the vote was a NO vote for Scotland.. If it was a Yes vote I know that Quebec would be trying the same thing to see if they would get a Yes vote and leave Canada.. What kind of money would they use if they did separate. I believe they are better off to stay with England.. Good news! What age 18 would be my guess. Really don't know what you want until that age.. hugssssssssssss V
But these things are never the end of the issue. Quebec, like Scotland, will no doubt go again for independence.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:29 pm

    Quoting PeterWasted:
    I think now there will be a lot of Scottish people trying to pretend that defeat is some kind of victory and others will be scarred by the experience.

    I don't think there is much difference between sixteen and eighteen year olds so I'm not that concerned over voting age. I'm more concerned at politics becoming further separated from reality and even further into the pockets of big business.
I'm one of those people you describe. I actually think that the referendum will be seen as a key milestone for Scottish independence in years to come.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:31 pm

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    Very mixed emotions here, I've actually shed a tear or two despite being a strong no voter.

    The whole thing has implications for us all, but I'm distraught for the 1.6m people who had that faith in a better system. We, you, me, Peter, the UK at large, we need to acknowledge and honour that faith somehow. Time for our pollies do get to work, fo us, not themselves.

    Great post McP.
I can fully understand that you're torn about the referendum result. Polticians need to pour a lot of balm on this issue to move forward.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:33 pm

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    Oops, meant to add, thanks for being interested and concerned!!!!!!
There's no need to thank a Sassenach!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:36 pm

    Quoting  :

The Scotland situation is a bit different from the US states' situation. Britain is not a federal country, and Scotland and England 'agreed' to unite their kindoms centuries ago.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:37 pm

    Quoting khuXBFXM8u:
    Lindo keep us well informed.

    It never surprising that a portion of any population want to go it alone.
McLindo is a very important source of news.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:38 pm

    Quoting  :

I'm replying to you wearing a kilt - do you want a check?


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:41 pm

    Quoting  :

If Scotland had voted 'yes' to independence last week, the United Kingdom (or Britain) would have been toast!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:42 pm

    Quoting lok4fun500:
    I wasn't surprised, as Quebec has tried to seperate here in Canada a few times. Like in Scotland, it was a close vote! Voting age is 18 here!
Canada and Britain are facing similar issues with Quebec and Scotland.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:53 pm

    Quoting grayblue1:
    My family that lives in Perth....voted No...I wasn't surprised that voted no..but the even split was amazing....

    Blue...
Nearly half the Scottish people are now pissed off with the result. We are a divided country.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 12:56 pm

    Quoting  :

I fully support Australia's claim to be a republic. But Scotland had their own king, shared with England, but in the referendum the Scottish independence movement still wanted the Queen to be their head of state. That's not independence!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/26/2014 1:03 pm

    Quoting Furbal1972:
    As an outsider, I was not surprised, but slightly relieved.

    I followed this story closely and learned a lot in the process. (Like I didn't know that the UK was actually four separate countries. )

    Yet in the end: DEMOCRACY PREVAILS!!!! .. It was peaceful. (Just look at Ukraine.)

    I also agree with the thought that Britain should have it's own Parliament, just like the other three countries. Along that line, ANY issues that cause others to harbor resentment need to be dealt with.

    I'm glad that you're still "united". A "yes" vote would have involved major complications in monetary policy (and to a lesser extent, the FLAG!). .. The world didn't need another shake-up at this time.
Strictly speaking, United Kingdom is comprised of two kingdoms (England and Scotland), one principality (Wales) and one province (Northern Ireland). And that excludes Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and Sark, who generally accept UK law but behave as tax havens.
You are so right, Scottish independence would have had massive issues, least of which would have been the redesign of the Union Jack flag.


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