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WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE?
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WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE?  Above is a photograph of an Iranian man about to be hanged in the town of Royan on 15 April this year. His name is Balal Abdullah who, seven years ago, stabbed Abdollah Hosseinzadeh to death in a street fight. He was sentenced to death by hanging. Under sharia law, the victim’s family are expected to participate in the hanging by pushing away the chair on which the condemned person is standing. Unusually for Iran, where there are more state executions than any other country apart from China, the mother approached the condemned man, slapped his face and removed the noose from the man’s neck, thus forgiving her ’s killer – see the two photographs below. Under sharia law, the victim’s family can also stop the execution, as well as begin the execution process. After this ordeal, Balal Abdullah was led away to serve a jail sentence. His mother hugged the grieving mother of the man her had killed. If you were the victim’s mother, what would you do in this situation – push the chair away or remove the noose? Do you agree with the death penalty for certain crimes? I don’t agree with the death penalty under any circumstances, no matter how grave the crime. I think the victim’s mother showed incredible humanity and amazing strength in a very difficult situation. She is a fantastic example of motherhood and sisterhood, though she should perhaps have been arrested for assault!  I apologise, only a little though, for posting this serious post on a weekend and on a sex dating site, but it’s one of those conundrums which has kept me wondering ever since I read about this incident. I’ll lighten up tomorrow!   |
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6/7/2014 11:45 am |
Well I live in Texas and completely disagree with both of you. There is absolutely a good reason for the death penalty
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6/7/2014 11:56 am |
No crime that justifies the death penalty. Are you kidding me?
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I think she was more forgiving that I could be, Whilst I don't believe in capital punishment in theory....if one of my children or grandchildren were killed I doubt I would be as forgiving as this woman.  ~~Anais Nin~~
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State sanctioned killings only sanctions further killings. Those who try to use bibical reference of and "eye for an eye" as justification, ignore the "vengeance is mine sayeth the lord" part. Find pleasure in giving pleasure
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In some case I truly believe in the death penalty. I think she is more forgiving then I would ever be. hugs V Become a blog watcher sweet_vm
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I believe in the death penalty, but I also know there are innocent people arrested. In Islam: If you kill one man, it's as if you kill all of humanity. And if you forgive a man his sin, then God will forgive you your sins. (Also if you save a life it's like saving all of humanity - you get the good deeds or the bad deeds written against you accordingly). I'm thinking it's a combination of number of years between the murder and the sentencing, her religious beliefs, and ... well, honestly, I can see so many reasons. Empathy knowing how she would hurt his family by insisting upon her right for justice/revenge. Perhaps she worried about escalating tribal "revenge". I'm sure she struggled within herself a long while before being strong enough to forgive as she did.
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6/7/2014 4:14 pm |
Honestly these are some of the most absurd things I've heard.
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Canada abolished the death penalty July 14th 1976! I still believe in capital punishment for certain circumstances. Just 2 days ago, Canada lost 3 RCMP officers and 2 wounded, as a so called 24 year old "madman" who hated authority, walked down the street and started gunning down police officers. One officer had a 1 1/2 year old and another expected in Sept. Now the taxpayers will have to keep him locked up for 25 years, as that is what is considered a life sentence in Canada, under the law! The prison system here reports that it costs $100,000 per year/prisoner.... 5 years ago, another "madman" took the lives of 4 RCMP, but at least he had the guts to kill himself. This Iranian woman did far more than I could ever do if it was my child!
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6/8/2014 4:00 am |
well when I first saw the pic I was horrified at what you could be posting. I have always been strongly opposed to execution. But and this is a big but with lots of I am not sures if someone was to kill one of my children I would hunt them down and want to kill them with my bare hands as i am sure many parents also feel. And I would take the punishment for my actions.And yet here is a nation that actually allows the victims family do just that, legally. It is a very confusing question. I would also like to think that I would do as the above mother did the justice system is so far from perfect with so many loop holes and mishaps I dont completely trust it. But it is the best we have right now An orgasm a day , makes you so much happier at work and play
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6/8/2014 6:36 am |
Who said anything about executing an innocent person. How about the innocent victims that were going about their daily lives and were killed by somebody. I guess those people get no justice or don't matter and we should just let that killer back out on the streets to kill again or spend our tax dollars to feed and house them.
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Who said anything about executing an innocent person. How about the innocent victims that were going about their daily lives and were killed by somebody. I guess those people get no justice or don't matter and we should just let that killer back out on the streets to kill again or spend our tax dollars to feed and house them. Texas has a long history of capital punishment. The republic also has a long history of condemning innocent people to death, and several innocent people have been executed in Texas and elsewhere. You speak of innocent victims going about their daily lives being killed by somebody, and your repeated comments suggest you see capital punishment as a way to achieve justice… this kind of “justice” is a fallacy; there is no true justice for the dead! The only thing worse than the loss of an innocent life, is when the State soberly adds “insult to injury” by killing another innocent person, to satisfy the blood lust need for vengeance that you and many others feel. Look up the case of Gary Graham, convicted on the testimony of one witness, who said she saw the killer’s face for a few seconds, from 30-40 feet through her car windshield. The only problem was, two other witnesses who had a better look at the assailant, said Gary Graham wasn’t the assailant. Those witnesses weren’t called to testify by Graham’s court appointed attorney. Graham was executed in 2000. Just for good measure, lookup the case of Claude Jones, executed in 2000, and convicted based on a strand of hair that purportedly placed him at the scene of a liquor-store shooting. Problem was it wasn’t his hair as demonstrated by DNA testing after his conviction, but before his execution. The Governor G. W. Bush denied the stay of execution, so another innocent life taken, by the State. Finally look up the case of Cameron Willingham, convicted of starting a fire that killed his 3 young kids. He was executed in 2004; he could have saved himself from execution after his conviction by confessing; his sentence would have been commuted to life in prison. He refused to confess and maintained his innocence so the State of Texas killed him. The rub is, a number of leading arson experts have gone on record to state that the fire was not the result of arson. Now in your mind, you could take the callous attitude that mistakes happen, and “too bad, so sad” for the 3 aforementioned Texas men and many others... pray you or someone close to you is never on the wrong side of a “mistake”. The most troubling argument you raise is the economic argument. I am not dismissing the reality of the economic cost of incarceration, but it has no place in an argument over right and wrong. Those who favor capital punishment always forget that argument is a two edged sword; more soap for a slippery slope if you will. That argument in effect says “it’s ok to execute someone because it will bring an economic benefit to an individual or the masses”. “OK’ to kill based on a premeditated cost / benefits analysis is why people who kill, kill; whether it is for economic gain, perception of security, self-gratification or another motive. If a society doesn’t learn from history, then it is destine to continuously repeat the same mistakes. Find pleasure in giving pleasure
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The state, especially certain parts of the state, often likes to see itself as above the law. As Louis XIV once allegedly said, "L'État, c'est moi". 
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I think many people would feel the same, which I guess is one reason why punishment is meted out by courts rather than victims.
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I think most parents and grandparents would think like you. Though I have no children, if anyone killed one of my best friends, I think I would be very tempted to kill the killer. But I wouldn't like that choice as sharia law seems to give the victim's family.
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I think she was more forgiving that I could be, Whilst I don't believe in capital punishment in theory....if one of my children or grandchildren were killed I doubt I would be as forgiving as this woman.
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It's a conundrum! I'm all for the death penalty. I think we should kill lots of people. I'm not even sure if they need to be guilty of anything criminal. Execution should not, though, be done in any public way. It should be a very private affair so that no one can gloat or revel in another persons death. As for the mother. I'd do exactly the same. My children are far and away the most important part of my life but I cannot imagine a circumstance where I would wish harm on another known human away from the heat and anger of the immediate event.
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In some case I truly believe in the death penalty. I think she is more forgiving then I would ever be. hugs V
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I believe in the death penalty, but I also know there are innocent people arrested. In Islam: If you kill one man, it's as if you kill all of humanity. And if you forgive a man his sin, then God will forgive you your sins. (Also if you save a life it's like saving all of humanity - you get the good deeds or the bad deeds written against you accordingly). I'm thinking it's a combination of number of years between the murder and the sentencing, her religious beliefs, and ... well, honestly, I can see so many reasons. Empathy knowing how she would hurt his family by insisting upon her right for justice/revenge. Perhaps she worried about escalating tribal "revenge". I'm sure she struggled within herself a long while before being strong enough to forgive as she did.
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 Your cuntish arguments about killing cunts makes a lot of cuntish sense!
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Canada abolished the death penalty July 14th 1976! I still believe in capital punishment for certain circumstances. Just 2 days ago, Canada lost 3 RCMP officers and 2 wounded, as a so called 24 year old "madman" who hated authority, walked down the street and started gunning down police officers. One officer had a 1 1/2 year old and another expected in Sept. Now the taxpayers will have to keep him locked up for 25 years, as that is what is considered a life sentence in Canada, under the law! The prison system here reports that it costs $100,000 per year/prisoner.... 5 years ago, another "madman" took the lives of 4 RCMP, but at least he had the guts to kill himself. This Iranian woman did far more than I could ever do if it was my child!
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That's what struck me as well about this incident - the victim's family themselves turn into killers in the execution process. Though from a different culture, I see that as a double-punishment but Iranians probably see it differently.
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That's a very logical argument!
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well when I first saw the pic I was horrified at what you could be posting. I have always been strongly opposed to execution. But and this is a big but with lots of I am not sures if someone was to kill one of my children I would hunt them down and want to kill them with my bare hands as i am sure many parents also feel. And I would take the punishment for my actions.And yet here is a nation that actually allows the victims family do just that, legally. It is a very confusing question. I would also like to think that I would do as the above mother did the justice system is so far from perfect with so many loop holes and mishaps I dont completely trust it. But it is the best we have right now
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In some ways, I think life imprisonment is sometimes more of a punishment than an execution for some murderers.
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Who said anything about executing an innocent person. How about the innocent victims that were going about their daily lives and were killed by somebody. I guess those people get no justice or don't matter and we should just let that killer back out on the streets to kill again or spend our tax dollars to feed and house them. There are many differences of opinion about the death penalty. In the US it's allowed, but in most of Europe it's not. I think you have to be clear what the purpose of punishment is - retribution/revenge, community protection, rehabilitation, deterrence, etc. I don't think the death penalty serves any useful purpose as a punishment, but we'll have to agree to disagree!
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