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A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP?  

spunkycumfun 63M/69F
29519 posts
11/4/2013 10:39 am
A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP?



Many people in the UK, especially politicians and ambassadors, claim we have a ‘special relationship’ with the US; Winston Churchill often talked about a special relationship between the UK and the US. I am fascinated with this claim, often said with little evidence, because many other countries also claim such a ‘special relationship’ with the US. Does this make the US or does it make other countries a flirt?

Many people in the UK regard Winston Churchill as the greatest person to ever come from the country, but not those May Day demonstrators who adorned a statue Winston Churchill with a Mohican-style haircut. I am also fascinated by the American fascination with Winston Churchill; I can understand more the fascination of Churchill in the UK given he was the UK’s Prime Minister during the Second World War. Since the 1960s until recently when Barack Obama returned it to the Britain, there has been a bust of Winston Churchill in the White House. Last week, the US Congress honoured Winston Churchill with a sculpture exhibited in the capitol’s Statuary Hall.

Why does America have so many special relationships?
What relationships are ‘special’ for you?
What does Winston Churchill mean to you?


Below are some Winston Churchill quotes, a few of which cannot be verified:
1. “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, only after they've tried everything else.”
2. “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
3. “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.”
4. “Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.”
5. “History is written by the victors.”
6. “To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.”
7. “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”
8. “You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.”
9. “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
10. “I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”
11. “From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent.”
12. “We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.”
13. “My most brilliant achievement was my ability to be able to persuade my wife to marry me.”
14. “The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”
15. “Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.”
16. “Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.”

canyaz 56F
17128 posts
11/4/2013 11:30 am

Interesting quarry. Churchill is someone I have study as a force during the war. Not unlike Patton or Roosevelt. I am not sure what the special relationship is but we do seem to have one. At least President Clinton and Tony Blair did...

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lok4fun500 M
51906 posts
11/4/2013 11:49 am

We have a high school here named after Mr. Churchill!


sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
11/4/2013 2:47 pm

Here is some history between Canada and the UK. I do remember studying Churchill in my history class. This happened all before I was around in the world today. Extract out of the Toronto paper.

Winston Churchill had a deep affection for Canada, which he referred to as “the linchpin of the English-speaking peoples.” The City of Toronto played a special role in this Canadian connection.

Churchill first visited Canada in the winter of 1900/1901. Already, at the age of 26, he was a veteran of four military campaigns, a celebrated war correspondent, the author of five books, a newly elected member of the House of Commons, and, as the result of his heroic escape from captivity during the Boer War, world-famous. He spoke about his wartime experiences to full houses at Massey Hall on December 29, 1900 and January 2, 1901

In September 1939, Canada joined Great Britain in declaring war on Germany. In August 1941, Churchill met with United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland, where they signed the Atlantic Charter. Shortly after the entry of the United States into the war in December 1941, Churchill addressed the Canadian House of Commons on December 30. Responding to the taunt of the French generals that Britain would soon have its neck wrung like a chicken, he countered boldly, “Some chicken!” and, when the laughter died down, “Some neck!” He returned to Canada in 1943 and 1944 for the two Quebec Conferences with President Roosevelt hosted by Prime Minister Mackenzie King.

In 1958 Churchill became the first person to be offered the Freedom of the City of Toronto, but health reasons prevented him from coming to Toronto to accept the honour extended to him by Mayor Nathan Phillips.

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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
11/8/2013 9:50 am

    Quoting canyaz:
    Interesting quarry. Churchill is someone I have study as a force during the war. Not unlike Patton or Roosevelt. I am not sure what the special relationship is but we do seem to have one. At least President Clinton and Tony Blair did...
Clinton and Blair did get on, unlike Obama and Cameron now!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
11/8/2013 9:51 am

    Quoting lok4fun500:
    We have a high school here named after Mr. Churchill!
Winston Churchill would approve; he was very pro-American (to include Canada and USA).


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
11/8/2013 9:54 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    Here is some history between Canada and the UK. I do remember studying Churchill in my history class. This happened all before I was around in the world today. Extract out of the Toronto paper.

    Winston Churchill had a deep affection for Canada, which he referred to as “the linchpin of the English-speaking peoples.” The City of Toronto played a special role in this Canadian connection.

    Churchill first visited Canada in the winter of 1900/1901. Already, at the age of 26, he was a veteran of four military campaigns, a celebrated war correspondent, the author of five books, a newly elected member of the House of Commons, and, as the result of his heroic escape from captivity during the Boer War, world-famous. He spoke about his wartime experiences to full houses at Massey Hall on December 29, 1900 and January 2, 1901

    In September 1939, Canada joined Great Britain in declaring war on Germany. In August 1941, Churchill met with United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt in Placentia Bay, Newfoundland, where they signed the Atlantic Charter. Shortly after the entry of the United States into the war in December 1941, Churchill addressed the Canadian House of Commons on December 30. Responding to the taunt of the French generals that Britain would soon have its neck wrung like a chicken, he countered boldly, “Some chicken!” and, when the laughter died down, “Some neck!” He returned to Canada in 1943 and 1944 for the two Quebec Conferences with President Roosevelt hosted by Prime Minister Mackenzie King.

    In 1958 Churchill became the first person to be offered the Freedom of the City of Toronto, but health reasons prevented him from coming to Toronto to accept the honour extended to him by Mayor Nathan Phillips.
Churchill loved Canada. In the UK, there is a long and busy road lined by trees that commemorates the lives of Canadian soldiers lost in the Second World War.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
11/8/2013 9:57 am

    Quoting AmeliaCox:
    I daren't alienate myself from my American friends by proferring a hypothesis as to why America has so many special relationships...

    Generically speaking, the relationships that are special for me are the ones with enduring respect and this includes allowing eachother to be exactly who they are. When you really enjoy who the other person is when their filters are off, you spend more time with them and those that you enjoy less, you see less often.

    Winston Churchill died the year I was born. His first name is the middle name of a previous Australian Prime Minister from 1996 - 2007, John Winston Howard (who in his earlier terms as PM, I errantly voted for). Winston Churchill doesn't mean a lot to me other than as one of the elected representatives of the super powers during the second World War who was keen to broker peace. I believe that I have heard all the quotes ascribed to him (above) at one time or another and especially #12 which is an actual recoding that acts as the introduction to the Iron Maiden song 'Aces High'.
The first and tenth Churchill's quotations above cannot be verified; the myth rolls on!
I agree totally with you about respect being central to a relationship; without that, a relationship is nothing.


sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
11/8/2013 4:02 pm

Yes you got that right he sure did love Canada. We named schools, building after him all over this beautiful land. I guess we have a lot in common don't we hugs V

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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
11/9/2013 1:00 am

    Quoting AmeliaCox:
    Apparently quote #10 has been credited to Clement Attlee to Lady Astor according to one or two books about famous quotes that I have in my collection...
Thanks for that information. I think the first quote was fabricated but is still widely quoted in America as a Churchillian phrase.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
11/9/2013 1:02 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    Yes you got that right he sure did love Canada. We named schools, building after him all over this beautiful land. I guess we have a lot in common don't we hugs V
I don't think the Commonwealth forces from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India and other countries get enough credit for their role in the Second World War. Reading shome history books, the war was won by Britain led by Churchill with a little bit of help from the US!


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