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THE MARQUIS DE SADE, STAR WARS AND A BURKA  

spunkycumfun 63M/69F
29519 posts
5/3/2013 4:17 am
THE MARQUIS DE SADE, STAR WARS AND A BURKA



A burka is an outer garment worn by some Muslim women to cover their bodies when in public. Some Muslim scholars believe that the Koran (or, strictly speaking, the Qur’an) requires both men and women should dress modestly when in public. For women, many scholars argue that a woman should wear a hajib, a veil, while a few scholars state that a woman must wear a burka.

In France, it is against the law for the burka to be worn in schools. In the UK, there have been cases where employees have been disciplined by their employer for wearing a crucifix at work.

Should people be allowed to wear whatever their religion dictates in public places?
Do you think people should wear whatever they like at work?


In England and Wales, there are 176,632 people who describe their religion as Jediism, a religion based on the Jedi Knights in the Star Wars films. Jediists represent the seventh most popular religious group in the country. In 2009, a shopper was removed from a Tesco supermarket for refusing to remove his hood because of his Jediist religion. The supermarket manager justified the customer’s removal by saying: "He hasn't been banned. Jedis are very welcome to shop in our stores although we would ask them to remove their hoods. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all appeared hoodless without ever going over to the Dark Side and we are only aware of the Emperor as one who never removed his hood."

I am a liberal and believe that people should wear what they like, but I can’t take this principle to the extreme. I do not think a teacher should be allowed to wear a Nazi uniform adorned with a swastika at school but I do think a teacher should be allowed to dress as a Jedi Knight in the classroom.

Did you ever pretend to be a Jedi Knight?
Is Jediism a religion?


I think religion and the state should be kept separate and that religion should be a private pursuit. I prefer France for having a secular state than Britain that has the Church of England as its established church. But Britain in privileging one religion over other religions is far more preferable than the many countries where religious doctrines are the law – Iran and Saudi Arabia have adopted sharia, the many Islamic codes, as the basis for law.

In 1843, Karl Marx wrote: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". However, in the 1797 book, L’Histoire de Juliette, the Marquis de Sade wrote about the “opium you feed your people”. Was Marx influenced by the famous French libertine?

RedstoneandRed 68M/70F
2275 posts
5/3/2013 5:25 am

Very interesting read...


canyaz 56F
17128 posts
5/3/2013 5:30 am

Oh so many subjects...Dress code first. At work, if a public place the workers should dress to represent the company. If a private place, whatever the boss tells them to wear or eh...to each their own (within society norms). Take a bath, please! Cover your private parts unless you work in the porn industry. As to religious coverings that hide a persons face...it is the very religious groups that require such things that have created a culture of fear. Now as a whole society, we must pass rules and laws to keep people safe because of bombings and Terror groups. So I do not think people should be able to hide their faces in public. How can we trust them otherwise?

Religion...OIY! I am not a believer of religion. In my opinion, religion has been used to control the masses. I also believe, one should believe as they choose. How one worships, even what one worships, is personal. Jediism...unfamiliar but I am guessing one is for the dark side or the light side. As a Psychologist, I am thinking, those who form a religion out of a movie experience, well, they really are searching for their own identity and do not have the will to find it so they adopt a persona. Kind of like the people who think they are Jesus Christ. They used to be Bob Smith but Bob Smith did not garner the attention Bob thought he should get so he adopts Jesus Christ as his persona and gets all kinds of attention.
Also, religion is filled with hypocrisy. I have a hard time following a person who tells me to do one thing while they do another, (Politicians fall into this category also) I have a friend who is gay and lives with his long time partner. This friend used to be a priest with the Church of England but a few years ago became a Roman Catholic priest. I find it fascinating he has chosen a profession that condemns his life choices.
My but you have opened a can of worms...Some of my favorite subjects. Thank you for waking my mind this morning.

There is a difference between a good BJ and a bad BJ.
canyaz


lindoboy100 61M
23969 posts
5/6/2013 3:45 am

1. In their own countries, probably, in another country where the local population feel uncomfortable with it, probably not.

2. People should dress appropriately, I could never employ someone with an unkempt appearance, they would not be able to represent the business in an appropriate way.

3. No, though not sure why, I loved the films, perhaps I was too old by then.

4. It is as legitimate a religion as any other, all are based on human writings and teachings, and all are subject to human frailty. Each to their own.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
5/8/2013 12:18 am

Thanks for your kind words.


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
5/8/2013 12:20 am

    Quoting canyaz:
    Oh so many subjects...Dress code first. At work, if a public place the workers should dress to represent the company. If a private place, whatever the boss tells them to wear or eh...to each their own (within society norms). Take a bath, please! Cover your private parts unless you work in the porn industry. As to religious coverings that hide a persons face...it is the very religious groups that require such things that have created a culture of fear. Now as a whole society, we must pass rules and laws to keep people safe because of bombings and Terror groups. So I do not think people should be able to hide their faces in public. How can we trust them otherwise?

    Religion...OIY! I am not a believer of religion. In my opinion, religion has been used to control the masses. I also believe, one should believe as they choose. How one worships, even what one worships, is personal. Jediism...unfamiliar but I am guessing one is for the dark side or the light side. As a Psychologist, I am thinking, those who form a religion out of a movie experience, well, they really are searching for their own identity and do not have the will to find it so they adopt a persona. Kind of like the people who think they are Jesus Christ. They used to be Bob Smith but Bob Smith did not garner the attention Bob thought he should get so he adopts Jesus Christ as his persona and gets all kinds of attention.
    Also, religion is filled with hypocrisy. I have a hard time following a person who tells me to do one thing while they do another, (Politicians fall into this category also) I have a friend who is gay and lives with his long time partner. This friend used to be a priest with the Church of England but a few years ago became a Roman Catholic priest. I find it fascinating he has chosen a profession that condemns his life choices.
    My but you have opened a can of worms...Some of my favorite subjects. Thank you for waking my mind this morning.
I think taking a bath or shower regularly is a very reasonable demand on employees!


spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
5/8/2013 12:23 am

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    1. In their own countries, probably, in another country where the local population feel uncomfortable with it, probably not.

    2. People should dress appropriately, I could never employ someone with an unkempt appearance, they would not be able to represent the business in an appropriate way.

    3. No, though not sure why, I loved the films, perhaps I was too old by then.

    4. It is as legitimate a religion as any other, all are based on human writings and teachings, and all are subject to human frailty. Each to their own.
In the 1980s, there was a group in the South West who claimed that their worship of garden gnomes constituted a religion. They were hoping, as a religious establishment, to be exempted from the poll tax. Their cunning plan failed!


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