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1/27/2009 9:42 pm |
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GAT... I don't see faith and logic as necessarily separate, either. However, I see faith as not requiring logic to support it. In fact, most logic can be refuted with other logic; whereas faith cannot be refuted by logic. To a mind of faith, logical supports are not required, though they may exist. To a mind without faith, it is illogical to have faith when logic exists to refute any such faith. This is where any argument against God's existence fails: If God does not exist, He will not be convinced by any argument to the contrary. This is where any argument for God's existence fails: If God does exist, He will not be convinced by any argument to the contrary. Solar... Logical arguments are constructed for our benefit alone. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein.
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GAT... I don't see faith and logic as necessarily separate, either. However, I see faith as not requiring logic to support it. In fact, most logic can be refuted with other logic; whereas faith cannot be refuted by logic. To a mind of faith, logical supports are not required, though they may exist. To a mind without faith, it is illogical to have faith when logic exists to refute any such faith. This is where any argument against God's existence fails: If God does not exist, He will not be convinced by any argument to the contrary. This is where any argument for God's existence fails: If God does exist, He will not be convinced by any argument to the contrary. Solar...
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GAT... I'm a little late. I think this site is really screwed up; your BLOG, just today, showed any new postings on my watched list. Is it really my refusal to be "morally superior" which prompts your kudos -- or is it the fact I beleive in God, with no particular logic to support that belief?  The Bible is the Bible. Whether it is the Word of God, or not, will not be proven... in this world. It will, however, inevitably be proven to all, regardless of belief or unbelief. Faith is not something that can be acquired through any form of logic. I've never disagreed with any logical claims for, or against, the existence of God. I have only disagreed with explicit errors in certain citations being posited as supporting proofs of any agrument. God cannot be challenged -- successfully, that is -- when arguing against faith. If any such argument is successful, such success is merely proof that faith did not exist in the first instance... Mt 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. It is not, then, logic which is lacking -- it is faith. Solar... BTW: Watch out for that Girlie; she's mean -- at least, she thinks she is.  It is both, SP. [br} I do not think that faith and logic are necessarily separate by definition, onnly by convention. Opposing an affirmation that god doesn't exist on the merits, or lack thereof, is to be applauded. Weak arguments should be defeated, disposed, and left behind. Here is my view of the Bible, and it's similar to what Trav said when he called it a collection of parables. The most ardent atheist can gain wisdom from it. There is much to emulate in the attitudes and actions of Jesus, as set forth in the Bible. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein.
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GAT... I'm a little late. I think this site is really screwed up; your BLOG, just today, showed any new postings on my watched list. Is it really my refusal to be "morally superior" which prompts your kudos -- or is it the fact I beleive in God, with no particular logic to support that belief? The Bible is the Bible. Whether it is the Word of God, or not, will not be proven... in this world. It will, however, inevitably be proven to all, regardless of belief or unbelief. Faith is not something that can be acquired through any form of logic. I've never disagreed with any logical claims for, or against, the existence of God. I have only disagreed with explicit errors in certain citations being posited as supporting proofs of any agrument. God cannot be challenged -- successfully, that is -- when arguing against faith. If any such argument is successful, such success is merely proof that faith did not exist in the first instance... Mt 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. It is not, then, logic which is lacking -- it is faith. Solar... BTW: Watch out for that Girlie; she's mean -- at least, she thinks she is.
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Well, first he proved that the universe is very blurry. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein.
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1/19/2009 8:28 pm |
yeppers The Holy Bible is only thing perfect for words  friendships is like a diamond, always forever   
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I love SolarPowered.  .
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I'm enjoying reading this debate. I have no debate in my mind and heart however.
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I don't think I could bite any of these.... I guess my faith runs into, just cuz we can't prove it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I guess for me, I just know... I guess Descarte is closest.... I'm just trying to show that it's a fallacy to approach the issue with the predisposition that logic is the problem. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein.
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I think the only way for the cosmological argument is to make an assertion with no proof, specifically, that since god is not a part of the universe, he can exist with no cause and further specify that everything that exists in the universe began with a cause. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein.
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Oh, crap. You argue with SolarPowered? That's like spitting into the wind. Pity. But then, you stopped finding my political remarks interesting. Maybe this is sour grapes. I have no idea what ou mean about your political stuff, I couldn't comment on a lot of your posts recently. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein.
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1/16/2009 11:45 am |
I don't think I could bite any of these.... I guess my faith runs into, just cuz we can't prove it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I guess for me, I just know... I guess Descarte is closest.... I can't remember if I'm the good twin or the evil one.
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1/16/2009 11:34 am |
Oh, crap. You argue with SolarPowered? That's like spitting into the wind. Pity. But then, you stopped finding my political remarks interesting. Maybe this is sour grapes.
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I'll take the last one first. I'm not proposing an argument that anything created the god(s) to come into existence. They could be multiple things, like a denizen of a universe apart from this one. This leads to an unending chain of events with no discernible beginning, but that doesn't concern us here. We're talking about this universe. The existence of multiple gods is not precluded and I have no problem with it. Thsi also allows for the existence of multiple universes, yes? That's no problem here, either. You're right. It could just be an accident, but that doesn't lead to an analysis of there being no god(s). I have not defined the form that the creator might take and the creation of the universe might be an accidental force of 'nature'. Causality makes no claim to an intelligence or a reason behind why one thing causes another, just that it does. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein.
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I'm not sure the need for a reason exists here. Things cause other things with no apparent reason other than nature demands it. But I can work with that, too. God caused the universe to exist because that is the purpose of his existence. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein.
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