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On Love And Loss  

myelin36 53F
4613 posts
7/24/2016 6:59 am
On Love And Loss

One of the hardest lessons in life is letting go. Whether it be guilt, anger, love, loss or betrayal. Change is never easy. We fight to hold on and we fight to let go.

I think most would agree that the loss of a loved one is one of the greatest causes of suffering in life. Whether it’s the loss of a parent, close friend, significant other, or spouse, the stripping of someone we love and care about from our life is always hard, denuding a part of us that won’t ever be quite the same again. Time may dim the pain—and in some cases even remove it—but that lost relationship has left an indelible mark on us. In some mysterious way it’s helped form who we are today.

Things would be easier if we could wipe away the pain and suffering caused by loss, but then again, we would inevitably be bidding farewell to all of the beautiful and meaningful moments as well. It seems certain people cross paths with our lives to guide, love and nourish us. But then after a time, as we continue journeying through life, we lose their company and what remains are remnants of their memory.

Some losses like the slow fading of former friendships that only leave us feeling nostalgic, wondering occasionally how we could have been so close to someone we now barely know. Whereas others are tragic, from which the memory of the person—such as death of a spouse or —still causes sadness and pain even on our best days.

By keeping their memory alive, by remembering and honoring them with a life that reflects them and their lives of love and service, we are able to continue on in this one. The memory we have of them—despite the aching pain it may cause—allows us to continue to love them.

In our mourning and sorrow we are called on hope that isn’t contingent on our feelings or circumstances, but one that endures nonetheless. Coming back to that age-old question about having loved and lost, I can only think that people cross paths with us for a reason. And that is to help us grow and develop inner resiliency and reliance on faith. It is not to harden our heart to the possibility of future love.

Have you experienced love and loss? How did you cope?


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frog_princess 64F
754 posts
7/24/2016 7:02 am

so true, but sometimes it is hard not to get caught up in the sorrow.


myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 1:38 pm:
The internet makes it easy to wallow in sorrow if you allow it to. My friend's death was plastered all over the internet due to the tragic nature of his passing. I've had to remind myself that my friend would not want me to live my life in sorrow or stay glued to social media and internet. Lately it has taken effort but I am forcing myself to "fake it until I make it." Some days are easier than others.

veryfunnycple64 60M/60F
21770 posts
7/24/2016 7:33 am

I have experiences lots of heart ache....I acknowledge my pain and then I practice self soothing....taking care of my emotional and physical health....exercise....staying engaged with other people (rely on friends and family)....take up a new hobby or learn something (take a class)....and journal! It has worked for me.

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myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 1:33 pm:
All excellent advice. I have been mindful of my own need for balance and practicing self soothing, too. Dave's death is just too fresh and painful to journal about right now but I hope to eventually.

Hugs,
myelin

ironman2769 58M  
12877 posts
7/24/2016 7:50 am

I keep the good things in my mind and forgot about the negative One does need to move on....or you become stuck in the mud...

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myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 1:29 pm:
Moving on can be quite a process. It's not something that can often be rushed. However, I'm taking things one step at a time. That's all we can do, right?

XOXO,
myelin

Maize32 55M
1391 posts
7/24/2016 9:18 am

Re coping: do not fight the grief, allow it to come and go. There will be times that you will want to cry, allow it to happen - don't fight it. Eventually, the grief will become less frequent...you'll have find memories, when they occur, embrace them.


myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 1:27 pm:
I've shed more tears in the last five days than I have in a long time. I am focusing on self soothing- last night I went for a long walk. This afternoon I laid out in the sun. Tonight I'm making a meal he would have loved. You are right it takes time. It's a process. Thanks for the kind words.

xoxo,
myelin

oldbstrd55 67M
3292 posts
7/24/2016 10:09 am

I have lost friends to war, suicide and disease. My mother to cancer and my dad to just old and ready to go. I have lost love or what I thought was love, many times. My heart has grown hard and cold, mostly after watching my mother die and an aunt that blamed me for not believing in god for her reason not to let go. My children and grand children are the only thing I care about. I do have feeling for others, but those feeling are not very strong.


mindworker1970 53M
328 posts
7/24/2016 10:49 am

I have lost friends, family, co workers and my wife. Each one hit differently and was different to recover from. It takes time to recover. You need to try to remember the good things and fun stuff. Use those memories to get through the pain and anger and guilt. The grief will come in waves, but it will get less immediate with time. Talk to friends, family, people who have gone through similar situations. Sharing helps take the sharp edges off. Do things you enjoy, hobbies and activities to keep you busy. Don't lock the feelings away, or they will come back hard and at random times.


myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 1:25 pm:
Thank you for sharing your experience and for telling me what I really needed to hear.

XOXO,
myelin

kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
7/24/2016 12:37 pm

I met my best friend in the second grade at age seven. He died of a heroin overdose at twenty five. He's still with me and I think of him nearly every day. I wonder "what would he think of this, and what would he have to say?" I suppose I cope by remembering him. He still guides me even in death.

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myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 1:24 pm:
Thanks for sharing your story. I told myself when I divorced my ex I would NEVER again allow myself to have feelings for another law enforcement officer. After all, this is a profession where death is an occupational hazard. Unfortunately hard as one tries to suppress certain feelings, sometimes the heart decides to override logic.

Tonight I am making a special meal that I know Dave would have loved in his honor. Homemade meatloaf with mashed potatoes and green beans. Dave loved comfort food and right now so do I.

ULIXBIG 69M
9288 posts
7/24/2016 2:21 pm

I have lost a few close friends, family members and others that meant a lot to me. By thinking of them, talking to them and remembering all these special moments, they will always be with us, as long as we live. I find this very comforting and gain strength from them to cope with my everyday problems.
I like it your idea of having your special dinner for (and with) Dave.


myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 3:10 pm:
Thank you for your kind words. The dinner turned out marvelous. I am sure he would have enjoyed it.

Hugs,
myelin

wickedeasy 74F
32404 posts
7/24/2016 2:26 pm

I think once grief is a forever thing, it isn't always huge and unmanageable like it is in the beginning but it's always there in some way.

there was a movie and I can't remember the name of it. but a mother described the eventual sense of loss like a stone that she carried in her apron pocket.

and most times it was just there and while she knew it was there it wasn't a thought or even really a feeling but then, she would reach inot the pocket for something and her hand would fall across the stone and she would say, oh yes, this, this..........and it would flood her again.

and that I think is so real for me about how it feels most times.

You cannot conceive the many without the one.


myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 3:13 pm:
I like the analogy of grief being compared to carrying around a stone. It seems to describe exactly how I am feeling right now. It comes and goes much like watching waves on the ocean.

FuckMaster694U 59M  
38 posts
7/24/2016 3:08 pm

Your words ring true in so many ways and as we get a little older will go through many more also. A great friends passed not too long ago, meaning years now and still seems like just yesterday and the impact we all have on each other.
We attended many Garth brooks concerts together during some of my country days and played "The Dance" at his celebration of Life. And the song is so true
"I could have missed the pain. But I'd have had to miss the DANCE".
The "DANCE" what a great to journey and so glad meeting and experiencing all of our close family and friends and would not have miss the Dance.


myelin36 replies on 7/24/2016 3:16 pm:
When my sister passed away in 2007, we played the song, "I Hope You Dance" at her funeral. I can't listen to that song now without breaking into tears.

Life is precious, very much like a dance. Guess that's why so many country artists tend to use it as a topic in their song lyrics.

Smiley_97 50M
200 posts
7/24/2016 5:51 pm

Yes. Lost someone I loved very dearly. I did not cope very well. Took years, possibly a decade to get over it. Now there is only a scar/scab.


citizen4722 66M  
74582 posts
7/25/2016 7:24 am

I shall never forget the phone-call from a relation of an ex girlfriend when I was told she had died in tragic circumstances.
I was just numb as we were still on good terms.
Took me a while to get over it but I just focused on the god times we had.


08540Tantrafun 60M  
1072 posts
7/25/2016 8:25 am

Very elequent post. Your neurology seems a lot like mine. Our brain produces too much oxytocin. We love deeply and bond permanently. So when I lost 2 of my dear friends, it affected me physically big time. My heart broke literally. The atrial wall that separates the pure blood and impure blood tore, commonly called hole in the heart.

Since then I had multiple strokes, lost 100% of vision in my left eye, lost my photographic memory, lost memory of a lot of events and places, lost ability to do higher math(used to be a math tutor in college), my writing became full of spelling, grammar mistakes and disjointed. I appeared to be bipolar with Fibromyalgia and dementia. Got fat and lost libido. Saw the best experts in Psychology, neurology and cardiology from Penn, Princeton, Cornell and Columbia Universities medical colleges.

They helped somewhat, but what made dramatic recovery was Tantra and Mindful meditation. I literally rewired my brain. I have perfect vision now,(no glasses) I have a 31 inch waist, and in another 4 months hope to have a 6 pack. Now I am petite with a runners body even though I don't run at all. I can have sex for 2 hours, libido of an 18 year old. Today I am remarkably unremarkable, considering that I was a basket case given 3 months to live a decade ago it is miraculous.

To do list.

1.Realize that all life is terminal, you too will die some day. Decide what is really important to you and spend time and money on those. Eliminate things that are not that important.
2.Do not dwell on the loss. Learn to strip away emotion/pain while cherishing his memory as a blessing.
3. Think of all the people who come into your life as a blessing or a lesson. It will help you cherish the good ones and tolerate the pricks without negatively affecting you emotionally.
4.See Dave as a blessing and be grateful for his presence in your life.
5.Celebrate his life not his death.
6. If you do the above 5, it will bring a smile to your lips every time you think of Dave, instead of tears to your eyes. This will turn him to a wind beneath you wings that help you soar instead of a stone that weighs you down with sorrow.
7. Do sign up for Buddhist/ Hindu meditation class or Tantra. Tantra if the ultimate, but exceptionally hard to find a good teacher. Buddhist/hindu practice will balance your emotions (neuro chemicals) in short order by learning detachment.

Tantra will supercharge your mind, body and soul in short order. You will learn to control your heart beat, balance your feel good neuro chemicals, shut down a thought or totally focus at will. (fully living in the moment) it will aslo give you the ability to have mind blowing full body orgasm. That is why tantra is called sacred sex. People do it learn to fuck for hours, but it is actually a side effect. The main effects are life altering. Check out this post even though it looks like a kamasutra manual it is a lot more than that The sub heading is more accurate.Tantric and Taoist Practices to Improve Sex

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You need to think about all the funny, silly things he used to do. You have to stop thinking of him as a tragedy and think of him as a loving and lovable goof ball. Re run those images in your head in loops, this will decrease cortisol, dopamine craving and increase serotonin.

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myelin36 replies on 7/25/2016 7:18 pm:
Thank you for sharing this list. I'm finding that I am going through the typical stages of grief that Swiss psychiatrist Elisabeth Kübler-Ross coined in her 1969 book, On Death and Dying.

The stages, popularly known by the acronym DABDA, include4]

Denial — The first reaction is denial. In this stage individuals believe the diagnosis is somehow mistaken, and cling to a false, preferable reality.

Anger — When the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue, they become frustrated, especially at proximate individuals. Certain psychological responses of a person undergoing this phase would be: "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"; "Why would this happen?".

Bargaining — The third stage involves the hope that the individual can avoid a cause of grief. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek compromise.

Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon, so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"

During the fourth stage, the individual despairs at the recognition of their mortality. In this state, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time mournful and sullen.

Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."

In this last stage, individuals embrace mortality or inevitable future, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. People dying may precede the survivors in this state, which typically comes with a calm, retrospective view for the individual, and a stable condition of emotions.

Are you familiar with this model?

Kübler-Ross later expanded her model to include any form of personal loss, such as the death of a loved one, the loss of a job or income, major rejection, the end of a relationship or divorce, drug addiction, incarceration, the onset of a disease or chronic illness, an infertility diagnosis, and even minor losses.

ProfPlayful 53M
3861 posts
7/25/2016 9:35 pm

A few years ago I lost my beloved mother to lung cancer and I coped with by remaining calm through the whole ordeal.

Yet when a certain girlfriend went off with my best friend back in 1989 it ripped a permanent chasm in my heart.

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08540Tantrafun 60M  
1072 posts
7/25/2016 10:54 pm

    Quoting Smiley_97:
    Yes. Lost someone I loved very dearly. I did not cope very well. Took years, possibly a decade to get over it. Now there is only a scar/scab.
Myelin, I am somewhat familiar with the 4 stages you succinctly explained. I had lost my best friends wife to breast cancer, my wife's sister inlaw (her brothers wife) to pancreatic cancer, my sister was scheduled to have double mastectomy done at lennox hill hospital in NY due to breast cancer, my 2 toddlers diagnosed as retarded. By the time the 2 died all of us were physically and emotionally drained. I had a 36 inch waist and man boobs.

Even after the funeral we still had to help with my sister she has 2 toddlers, my brother in law's 1 kid and our 2 kids, still make money to pay bills. All of the ladies were in their early to mid 30's. Only my sister survived. Once my heart blew a few months later, from all the stress, lack of sleep and poor diet, there was no time for me to go through the stages like the smiley_97 did.
A heart transplant or I was going to be dead within 3 months max and leave 2 disabled kids with a pharmacy tech wife, who made minimum wages. Depending on an individuals neuro-physiology the 4 stages could be months, a decade like smiley-97 or many decades. Some never overcome their grief entirely.

So my search with experts were to stretch my life by a few months, till i could put things in order. I needed to increase my testosterone and get into shape before surgery. With a hole in the heart and irregular heart beats normal exercise was not even possible. I was stuck and was done.

To cope with it an expert suggested meditation. Though I am of Indian origin, I never thought of mediation as something normal people do. It was what Hindu swami's do, and I am a christian, we don't sit around and go OM.

With all options closed i decided to give it a try. But my problem was that when you are hyper vigilant you can't meditate. Luckily I found that binaural music beats can shut the mind chatter and I started meditating. Finally I was able to sleep for more than 4 hours. Then I got into geriatric yoga to help me with some physical activity.

I am one of the luckiest person on the planet. I had access to the right people at the right time with right technology. Binaural is cutting edge, even though mindful meditation is 5 thousand years old, nothing increases neuroplacticity and increase the size of the hypo-campus like it.

Cure for grief is motion. Do something new or that you are passionate about to get a dopamine flow going and you can shorten the time stuck in each of the stages. Share that activity with another to shorten it even further.

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Maybe2day1999 68M

7/31/2016 5:35 am

Many might view it as a cop-out, and maybe it is...but that cuts too deep to even comment on. No offense, myelin. The sore is still too open.


myelin36 replies on 7/31/2016 7:09 am:
I had a dream about Dave last night. It was a dream that seemed real. In my dream, I was walking somewhere near a beach on a boardwalk when Dave appeared. I ran to him, hugging him, refusing to let him go. I remember feeling his belly pressed against mine and thinking "he has a Buddha belly!" In my dream I tried to get him to go with me but he said he needed to stay. He said he was with his parents (both deceased). He said, you can always take me with you. I woke up sobbing realizing it was a dream but then it occurred to me that he was trying to get me to understand that he will always be in my memory. It was a bittersweet dream. Very painful yet endearing.

hd4rider 66M
25 posts
8/10/2016 7:39 pm

Love and loss but first to really great love is hard to find you are very sexy lady


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